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  1. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

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    A hundred - miserable
    A thousand - non-existent.
     
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    Can I have tomorrow’s lottery numbers please
     
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    If you've worked all your life paid into the system why shouldn't you?
     
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    I try not to be political because I can never agree with everything each party stands for or says but this lad Starmer looks good compared with the last PMs we have had Boris,May,Sunack,Truss,Cameron.
     
  5. man

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    Well obviously I can't say for certain, but everything has been on a downward slide for decades and I can't see it coming back the other way. Between growing wealth inequality, climate change, declining birth rates it looks pretty grim. And I'd be surprised if the human race lasts 200 years without substantially obliterating itself one way or the other - whether it be nuclear war, AI, some boo-engineered virus etc, every technological development now carries a very real threat.
     
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    You can’t honestly believe what you’ve typed at the start of that 3rd paragraph
     
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    Stunning victory? What planet are you on? The Labour Party got its majority because of the fptp system skewing the results. That in itself was a result of people voting simply to get the Tories out. The majority is built on sand. The vote for Labour was weak as you will know. Starmer has no ideas. He never did have. He's a liar and has no vision whatsoever. Basically he's enabling a right wing government but you'll still think he's a good lad no doubt because in your universe he can do no wrong. I'm afraid to say you are deluded and in denial. If the Tories had said we shouldn't send supplies to Gaza would you have complained? If the Tories had cut PIP would you have commented? If the Tories refused to change the child benefit cap would you criticise?,At the end of the day one has to come to terms with reality. Starmer and McSweeney are ruining progressive politics and enabling Farage by moving onto his territory. You won't accept this of course because the Tories are out of power and that seems to be your bottom line. Yes the Tories are out of power but paradoxically the Tories are still in power because there's no vision. There is no change. Starmer is a manager, a shapeshifter and a person with no ideas. He reacts to events because he has no ideas.. He tries to stifle criticism from Labour people. He has no principles. Yet still you think he's ok. I'm sorry Mr Kaht but you're either a closet Tory or you're completely deluded. What do you actually believe in?
     
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    We told you that a vote for Starmer would let the far right in. So whatever happens anyone who voted for him will be responsible. Though of course like you here they were blame those who gave those warnings rather than self reflection. . There were much better alternatives. There will be better alternatives.

    Anyone who thinks Starner gets a worse press than Corbyn really is through the looking glass.
     
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    Ah, welcome back to the tag team!

    We all have our views, eh lads?
     
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    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    Meanwhile, back in the real world. It seems from Keir's interview in The Times today that my reading was wrong, and that the government is unlikely to move on the welfare measures, deeming it vital to make the system sustainable and to encourage people back into work. There did appear to be less outright opposition to looking at the threshold level for WFA payments. The dialogue with the Labour backbenchers is going to be very interesting to political observers.
     
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    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    Err, a vote for Starmer actually let in a Labour government with a 180-seat majority. It's a failure to support him that will let in the far right.
     
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    In my opinion the WFA should’ve been scrapped for those in the higher tax band as pensioners - the govt apparently said this was too difficult and costly to do - so they binned it off for everyone.

    inheritance tax - the principle of it is wrong - you accumulate wealth that you have been taxed on in the first place to then get taxed on again on death , however with the UK having arguably the most complex tax system in the world it’s inevitable. What is wrong is that if I’m right the IHT band hasn’t shifted for around 16 years. Just with inflationary increases that should be at £510000 each.
    The residential nil rate band should be scrapped - if you take the plunge to buy a property, add value etc then why should the government get a slice? It’s just another money grab.

    I’ve said it for years , a care fund needs to be established- deductible from benefits aswell as income (ie £50 per month)

    a house deposit fund needs setting up and contributing to every time a child is born-this money would then be used to buy land/property etc that they can invest for 21 years

    What I’ve noticed slips under the radar though on IHT is why don’t the royal family pay it ? Their wealth has been amassed through our taxes and we pay for them, yet they are exempt ! If everyone’s all for screwing the rich over then how is this a fair outcome ? When queenie died we would’ve probably had about £400m to play with.

    if the government has a set amount of money in the pot it takes the burden from other taxes

    you cannot tax a country to wealth - it has never ever worked and will not ever work!
     
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    You raise some interesting points, Mr KCP!

    I'm sorry, but I can't see any other way to describe a 180-seat majority as anything other than a stunning victory. If that is based upon a historically low share of the vote for such a wide margin of victory, then I think it's even more impressive because SKS and his team clearly targeted their efforts in the seats where it counted most. That's the type of political aptitude his predecessor couldn't even dream of. Also, whether you consider the majority to be built on sand or not, Keir Starmer is in office for another four years and two months. That's four years and two months without Tory or Reform rule. I'll take that for starters. Anything else is a bonus. Will he improve things? Way too early to say. Would I say he can do no wrong? No, I wouldn't. At the end of the day, there are two ways of looking at things, and people will have different views. They are not necessarily deluded or in denial simply because they take a different view to you, are they? :)
     
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    Labour got in because the Tories hit self destruct, they had a leader of Indian descent & Reform took millions of votes off them.

    If you said to anyone high up in Labour before that election that they would get less votes than Corbyn did 2nd time round they would have expected it to be a disaster.
     
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    They don't pay it because they're parasitic scum.

    I don't agree that IHT shouldn't exist for anyone, abolishing it would just turbocharge economic inequality.
     
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    So that's what the Eaststanders have been up to?
     
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    The majority is built on sand and you're burying your head in the sand mate. The colour of the rosette is immaterial if the same policies (or worse) are being implemented. This is a Labour Government in name only but because it IS a Labour government you seem to lap up everything it does and applaud from the sidelines. As Jimmy Viz says this Labour government is letting the far right in. Starmer has yet again shifted his position from 3 years ago and is now talking the language of the far right and racists. Failure to call this government out and failure to even see this government for what it is is, to say the least, illuminating. Labour may have 3-4 years left but they've already lost the next election and Starmer, because he stands for nothing, is already implying that its ok to vote Reform. Disabled people wont be voting Labour next election. Farmers won't be voting Labour. Waspi women won't be voting Labour. Progressives won't be voting Labour. Racists won't be voting Labour. Starmer and McSweeney have ruined the Labour Party. They will be reduced to an insignificance at the next election because of Starmers lack of vision. The real Keir will be turning in his grave. Starmer is an empty vessel. He stands for nothing. He's even said as much in the account of his rise to power ('Get In' I think it is). He's an emperor with no clothes. And you still dont see it simply because the label says 'Labour'.
    So yes Mr Kaht you are in denial.
    A good poem to read here which sums up why Starmer is talking the language of racism
    My island of strangers: a poem | Michael Rosen https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/17/my-island-of-strangers-poem-michael-rosen

    Best wishes of course.
     
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    And very best wishes to you Mr KCP!
     
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    Bit of a lazy post not mentioning the Tories hitting self-destruct for Corbyn's second election. May was a sitting duck PM and was so bad at campaigning that she was hidden from public appearances.

    Also the election wasn't a foregone conclusion which really focused Labour voters minds at the time.
     
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    I’ve no idea what you’re on about. I’ve not mentioned any election that involved Teresa May
     

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