If I criticise America am I criticising Christianity? Am I Christianophobic?

For such a small country, we haven't half screwed over a lot of nations through time. More Cruel Britannia.

 

Perhaps some may think it too simplistic a take, but if ever I struggle to determine which side I’m on, or where my sympathies predominantly lie - I ponder which side was so proud of machine gunning down random innocents, raping whatever women they found, taking the old and vulnerable as hostages, and burning whole families alive that they recorded themselves doing so and broadcast it on the internet - then I conclude not those lovely person*s

 

What about the ones gunning down innocents queuing for food? Or bombing hospitals? Or murdering aid workers and lieing about it?

Sometimes, you don't pick a side. And sometimes you don't conflate innocent people with terrorists.

 

How about the ones that had large scale protests over not being legally allowed to rape the women in the areas they invaded?

 

The world is united in how divided it is.

 

I don't see how you can be so blind to what IDF are doing to innocent civilians.

Yes Hamas are a terrorist organisation who commited atrocities October 7th and they should be stopped to a permanent end. Hamas are not the Palestinian people so why are IDF murdering innocent civilians who are in line to receive aid and food? Can you at least answer that question and not just try point back to what happened October 7th?

 

I hesitate to post this and am doing so without taking sides (in the hope of it becoming a more informed discussion, or even allowing us all to move on to the big issues of concern specifically to Barnsley fans) but apparently:
“On May 26, 2016, the 31 member states of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) adopted a non-legally binding “working definition” of anti-Semitism at its plenary in Bucharest. Some examples of things that are anti-Semitic under this definition are:

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust
• Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
• Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.”

 

Oh, the fekin hypocrisy. Are Palestinians, not being held collectively responsible for the atrocities caused by Hamas?

 

Aye, a powerful navy and advanced technology along with a willingness to lord it over anyone who we happened upon in the world.

 

Yes they certainly are.

 

I do find it interesting how far fewer people are critical of the government and militaries of Sudan/Eritrea/China/North Korea/Russia/Pakistan/South Africa/insert essentially any country here, than are loudly and relentlessly critical about the only predominantly jewish state.

 

It's because you're secretly hinting that everyone who is critical of Israel is antisemitic isnt it?

Weirdly enough i'm not thinking of peoples religious beliefs when i think of the genocide that is happening in Palestine, all i can see is innocent people getting murdered in the streets, in hospitals, and in line waiting for aid and food. The IDF are committing those atrocities.

 

Wars are horrible - best to avoid starting them.

I'd like some independent evidence of claims about atrocities. I find it hard to square Israeli precision strikes against the Iranian regime with a state that's indiscriminately murdering starving people trying to access essential aid. It's also apparent that there's a huge amount of propaganda from an extensive network of critics and unreliable witnesses.

 

This one is the only one thats absolute ********. If they don’t want to be compared to Nazis they should stop behaving like Nazis.

To allow them a blanket immunity to criticism purely because they’re a Jewish ethnostate is far more discriminatory.

I’ll never discriminate against anybody who is Jewish on the basis of their ethnicity in any way. I will however judge anybody that defends the indefensible actions of israel no matter who they are.

 

Admittedly the following isn’t independent as it’s the evidence of IDF soliders passed onto an Israeli newspaper.

June 27 - Haaretz

“It’s a killing field out there” IDF soldiers ordered to shoot deliberately at. Unarmed Gazans waiting for humanitarian aid.

“IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes. Netanyahu rejects the claims calling them ‘blood libel.’

Go square that one.

 

I suggest you watch Channel 4 at 10pm on Wednesday.

https://www.channel4.com/press/news/channel-4-broadcast-gaza-doctors-under-attack

 

These are the words of a Holocaust survivor....

“The way that the Israeli government is using the memory of the Holocaust in order to justify what they’re doing to the Gazans is a complete insult to the memory of the Holocaust. It is an outrage. …

What distinguishes the Jewish Holocaust is its industrial scale and industrial methods being applied. And what has been happening to Gaza is similar in that the scale of the bombing and the indiscriminate nature of the bombing, the complete lack of care about children and women being the majority of the victims, amounts to an industrial scale of genocide. The painting of the Palestinian people as worthless, almost animal like, by the description of some of the leaders, that dehumanization, enables the population of Israel to tolerate what’s going on. The way that Palestinian people who were arrested were treated having to take their clothes off and parading them, it’s part of the humiliation.

In the West Bank, the way the checkpoints are organized, the way you are forced to wait for hours for no reason in order to go to school or go to work etc.. All this amounted to humiliation similar to what we experienced. The sort of determination and consistency with which they are setting about to destroy the whole of Gaza is very similar to the kind of cruelty and determination of the fascist regimes. Some of the actions of the Nazi state in dehumanizing and completely cruel large-scale killings etc., if it is repeated, I don’t see why you couldn’t make the parallel. It can only be helpful in understanding what’s going on to make the parallel. I don’t think there should be any taboo against that.”

Stephen Kapos - survivor of the Budapest ghetto.

 

On the news this morning, big story about how 'from the river to the sea' is antisemitic, and Bob Vylan and Kneecap are dangerous hate criminals aiming for publicity and that Jews in the UK now fear for their safety.

Went on for around 10 minutes, with Kwasi f*****g Kwarteng an expert pundit. Straight after, they reported "meanwhile, 56 people were killed in Gaza yesterday" and then swiftly moved on.

It's absolute propaganda.

 

The media is so dangerous. In how it slowly drip feeds ideology. How it skews balance and blatantly ignores real issues over false narratives.

Leading the condemnation of the BBC was a former BBC high level employee with the surname COHEN. No bias there then!

I've not heard the direct quotes as I haven't seen any Glastonbury footage, but I'm generally sick of the media and right wing hypocrisy that free speech shouldn't be reined in, yet criticising anyone who isn't to the right of politics for daring to have a voice. See Glastonbury, see Gary Lineker, see Chris Packham, see lefty lawyers. It's laying the pathway for something evil to follow and be normalised and excused for.