Tory Boy Starmer wins through on the back of the disabled

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    Tories are on record as stating they'd look to cut welfare by £15bn, rather than the £5bn that Labour targeted. Regardless of the issues with Labour's welfare bill, the equivalent that the Tories would have put forward in Government doesn't bear thinking about.

    Reform are playing fantasy politics, where they can claim or say anything without requiring any credibility as to how achievable it is. It's impressive how they've got so many people to fall for their act, in terms of council elections/current polling but we're seeing already the havoc that they're creating on councils under their control, as none of them have a clue what they're doing (and some have resigned from office already). If that continues towards the time of the next GE, then we're looking at a Trump-style administration of sheer incompetence that would almost be funny to witness, if it wasn't so damaging for the country.

    Personally, I think the political landscape will have settled somewhat in 4 years time, but this assumes a few things. Labour don't keep shooting themselves in the foot on comms, the Tories ditch Badenoch and the new incumbent is less incompetent (big ask, but this will potentially improve the Tory polling at the expense of Reform) and Reform continue to be utterly incompetent when they're put in a position of running something, such as a council. If, by then, Labour haven't been able to deliver any of the improvements they're being measured on (and judging them after 12 months is unrealistic, given how broken the Tory inheritance was) then they'll be judged accordingly by the electorate.
     
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    Trouble with Deform is they think politicking is just a case of throwing witty one liners at people and it's all black (ahem...) and white, without realising it's actually chuffing dull. You can spend months planning something, get all the funds ready, work into countless nights - then in the end the public don't vote for it. You can't just live on social media. Likes and reacts don't inplement policies. Stress, tears and a lot of work go into it, plus around 3 years for the policy to show. Farage knows this, that's why he doesn't want to be in the driving seat, or even show his face in Clacton. He's happy just to do his protest s**t and then run to the bank.
     
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    He would absolutely hate to be Prime Minister.
     
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    How safe is Rachel?
     
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    Imagine, someone lazier than Bozzo.
     
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    In terms of untenable position rankings on this issue, I'd put her a distant 3rd behind Liz Kendall (position now untenable) and Morgan McSweeney (many questions to be answered on competence in role).
     
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    He'd be like Boris Johnson, in the sense that he'd love to be Prime Minister, but would hate the inconvenience of having to do the job.
     
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    Many will disagree but Labour do really badly need Alistair Campbell back at the heart of what they're trying to achieve.
    Their comms is shockingly bad.
     
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    So the billionaires you want to leave decide to leave. The shortfall to keep everything at the same level as now will be paid for by everyone else who aren't as rich. Autumn budget isn't going to be pretty after Keir caved in.
     
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    I don't want any of them to leave. But nor do I think we should pander to their greed.
     
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    Absolute 'top bloke'.
     
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    No 10 spokesperson now saying she was troubled by a personal matter.
     
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    One things for sure' Sir keir won't think twice about throwing her under the bus.watch this space.
     
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    Quite right, old mate. We're proud of her in our family.
     
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    I wasn't aware of the crying incident at the time I posted that reply, so it had no bearing on what I'd written. I just took it as a general query on Reeves position.

    Regardless, the answer would have been the same, in terms of how I ranked them. Kendall is front and centre of the welfare policy.
     
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    She's now going for cash isas reducing the limit to 5k a year rather than 20k but wants to put more money in your pocket.
     
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    No, they need proper Labour policies which appeal to people and which don't alienate people who are potentially more likely to vote Labour in the first place. The policies (and pronouncements) on some key issues have been appallingly thought out. Nothing to do with spin. The government looks directionless simply because it is. As I've say many times (and many on here don't listen) when one has a PM with no moral and/or political compass - someone who likes to sway with the wind and simply manage rather than push an agenda - there will be severe consequences and disconnect with people who expect something different. Starmer and McSweeney are losing votes to Reform, lib-Dems and Greens (and possibly the Tories). They'll not manage to get all those votes back. All because of a lack of Labour principle and the lack of a clear idea of what people expect from a progressive government. Spin only works to a point and some things can't be spun.
    I read an article today, and although I dont agree with all of it there are some interesting points.
    Poorly led, strategically inept and shorn of democracy. Now I truly fear for this Labour government | John McDonnell https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-bill-democracy-party-election-john-mcdonnell
     
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    I agree that 12 months to judge Labour is harsh but, also, its accurate to say Labour have got things catastrophically wrong in many areas even if they've done some good. I also think that simply because Labour are getting many things wrong the drift towards Reform will continue in spite of Reform's crapness. Reform sound different even if they're not, they're not Labour, they're not the Tories (although many are), they have a clever, charismatic leader who has a good instinct for the right battles, they're untainted by government, and people are so fed up with their lives and don't think issues are being solved that they'll vote for Reform simply for the reasons I've put. The country is in a mess and Labour, through crap leadership have, in spite of some good things, made things worse by alienating people. I'm not voting Labour again and some will argue I'm therefore letting Reform in. I would disagree with that criticism though and say it's Labour that are letting Reform in.
     
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