The guy with the fractured skull, that as had to live with this for 40 years will take a different view. He will at least get closure before he dies. Yet what will it prove. That this set of Bas%£#@s set them up for a hiding. And no one took ownership, it's about clearing this up once and for all. Means a lot to those who suffered.
Genuine question what do you think will be achieved from this enquiry? The event happened over 40 years ago many of the people who should have been brought to justice will probably be dead now. Seems about 35 years too late. And will cost a few quid. I tend to agree. What went on has already been well-documented in numerous articles, books and documentaries over the years. All the prosecutions arising were thrown out, and many claimed damages for false arrest and wrongful imprisonment. The Police claims were discredited, not least of all by their own footage of the scene, to which they didn't realise the Defence had access. I'm not sure that a statutory, but non-judicial inquiry will take people much further.
I think the officer who did this served with Nortumberland Police and they have now destroyed the papers relating to this incident. A lot of the cases against the authorities that related to Hillsborough were thrown out because of the time lapse and this was years ago and Orgreave preceded Hillsborough. I'd love to think the new Enquiry will bring closure but sadly I think there won't be any criminal cases bought against anyone in the Police at Orgreave.
Fair point. But even an injustice righted posthumously will mean something to the family left behind.
Will he get closure? Will the person be brought to justice? Will any police be brought to justice from this? I genuinely don't know buy I imagine it will cost a few million for something that happened so long ago. Like I said I'm not totally against it I just think it's very late to do it now when many involved will be 6ft under.
Anyone interested should watch this lad. I subscribe to his YouTube channel "A Different Bias", he talks a lot of sense. Why Is The Orgreave Story Still Important Today?
I know there's a strong argument to continue with what at times seems like the British culture of cover up and corruption in law enforcement and the judicial system, but that doesn't make it right! On the face of it there is a huge amount of evidence of wrongdoing here - not least the endemic corruption in SYP as they tried to frame Miners with Riot charges. It needs to come out and those that are found responsible for wrongdoing should face justice, no matter how old they are or how comfortably they have lived their lives in the last 40 years. Absolute credit to all those involved in the Orgreave Justice campaign, particularly Kate Flannery.
I can't answer if police had to make reports of Orgreave at the time. Other than those who had to when arresting folk. But Hillsborough without trying to be too flippant. Imo the police were handed written statements to em done on a photocopier and told sign here. Tbf some refused apparently. Will be interesting what some of the retired b'stards. Will have to say when forced to give evidence. I don't have much confidence. I had a right spat with a met officer about 15/20 yrs ago on a social media site. (We got closed down) worra lying b'stard. Claimed they were 100% innocent of any wrongdoings. and tried to besmirch the miners as scum. Whilst I said there was the odd bad behaviour on our part. But worra lovely person. I'm getting angrier and angrier as I write this. I don't trust the fekkers to speak any truths.
I suppose the announcement of this inquiry has opened some old wounds for you mate. Hopefully it will deliver something for you. In the mean time, have a beer and chill.
Tbh mate we had some great times with the Hampshire lot. I had a bit of a spat with one of the SY coppers. One of my best mates growing up. Who in a nutshell said "cops unfortunately stick together." Which I found a bit off-putting given his dad worked in the mines. And told him when the met fekk off home. It's you who will get the backlash. Russ who was probably one of the most famous videos captured. Bludgeoned at Orgreave. I wasn't there that day as sent somewhere else. But picketed Orgreave on many occasions. One lad nicked because had a record. Doing nowt but watch the events. Met. copper broke a young uns nose (doing nowt but picketing peacefully.) Threw a punch as he walked by in military fashion. And young un pulled through fence for uttering summat in anger. by a copper following behind threatening to arrest him. Saw quite a few unsavoury incidents besides the 2 I mention. And that lovely person on social media trying to deflect everything on to the miners. I hope those that were reading our spat, saw through him.
If you open your windows you can hear a faint buzz. That is the sound of shredders working in police stations up and down the country. And the smell of burning. That will be the bonfires.
I've posted this before numerous times when we've discussed Orgreave or the miners strike so I'll keep it short I was working for Yorkshire Traction during the miners strike One morning stood in the star bus shelter in Cudworth in full uniform, i got a couple of digs in the ribs from a copper with a southern accent ...full mini bus of them Yep the London Met No numbers on his or his colleagues uniforms Accused me of waiting to be picked up by fellow pickets called me a f**king Yorkshire thick c??t ...the irony of it...Yorkshire Traction on my cap badge, overcoat and uniform, and he accused me of being a thick c??t never mind him thinking i was a miner.lol
Horrible set of bas#&#ds. This is one of 1000s of incidents where the police state ruled for a whole year. And we criticise other countries for lack of freedom of speech, and military rule. This was exactly that.