It's not the EU's fault that our government doesn't implement rules and laws that it can. They're the ones who won't implement immigration rules, who sold our fishing rights and have allowed decades of lies about the EU to go unchallenged. It's easy for the disaster capitalists, the liars and the racists (no i'm not saying that all leavers are racist - but you can guess which way most if not all of them voted) to rile up the general public when even the basics are lied about. We have a sovereign parliament but more importantly we have a veto. Farage can come up with whatever ridiculous nonsense he wants - this man of the people stood up twice on referendum night and conceded defeat - just so his backers could make hundreds of millions of pounds As for those calling for a no deal, shall we all just hand over all our possessions to our 'betters' now and get it over with?
I was looking for this yesterday, but couldn't find it. This thread has the list of the EU directives that were "forced" onto the UK. Enjoy!
I don't wish to make any further comments on Brexit. I just feel that people who voted leave are being ostracised as xenophobes and branded as village idiots. Where as people who voted remain are taking some sought of morale high ground and perpetuating some some sought of political snobbery. I wish there was something they could be branded but I haven't the time or the inclination.
On leaving the overwhelming majority of EU laws are going to have to be enshrined into British law because....shock horror...they were introduced to make the man in the street safer and less expoited.
i'd much sooner have an ally in the usa , they have stood by us before and would do again if russia did decide to invade europe you could cobble those three(france,germany and holland) together and you would not stand a chance,we need the usa if such a situation was to arise president macron should be put through a guillotine for even suggesting we need an army to protect us from the usa.. his fcukin country was liberated by the usa not those at the other side of the Alsace region.. the usa is an ally of france and that jumped up pillock could do well to remember that., he needs to spend a bit more time visiting the commonwealth and america graves.
Mmmmmm, sat having a coffee & I see the fkin mail has the headline that taking Boris to court is a sinister attack on our freedoms. I wonder who "OUR" is?
One overwhelming thing is that this was never going to be easy. Disconnecting from 40+ years of close integration cannot be wished away. Those who said it would be were the real liars. The pro's and cons of leaving and/or staying can be discussed ad infinitum, and all will have different opinions. But just don't say it will be easy. Take the time to leave in an ordered manner if that is what the final outcome has to be. Also stop treating the 16.8 million who voted remain and the 28 million(ish) who didn't vote at all, as if they no longer exist.
And what tory press is that then pray tell ?? Corbyn stood in remembrance of ira terrorists intercepted by our heroes in theSAS just before they attacked a police station at Loughgall. Its in the public domain owd lad. Do research who youre voting for
totally agree SD - ask the remainers if they are happy with the make up of the new EU Parliament (it's gone a tad nationalistic) Ask them to explain the economic implications of leaving with a 'no deal' - and back up their opinions with some empirical evidence. Ask them their views on what 'democracy' means? (and a Deal isn't a Deal at all - it's the first step in a long process whereby we leave the EU - probably take at least 5 years - unless the EU implodes! -- oh! and beware of the increasing influence of the Eastern countries in the EU - especially president Orban of Hungary)
i despair. it's got to the point now where people aren't really bothered about the act. it's just tribal now. remain or leave, republican or democrat, left or right, seem to be the important things. choose your side and defend it at all costs. i fear we're going to have to hit rock bottom now, before we start to recover.
I don't disagree about Macron. He says what he thinks will make him popular. Trump is an unutterable imbecile and dangerous with it but, yes, NATO is vital. I think he'd risk pulling the plug on it though.
Going now from memory, Heath took us in in 1973 and very little appeared to have changed by the time Labour promised a referendum in their 1974 Election manifesto...one of the reasons being that various HM Govts had been very careful about what the public were told. It's clear now that we were being prepared for membership for some time, with hindsight decimalisation of the currency was preparing us to join a single currency in the near future, any Govt would have known that such a move would scare the horses, so it was passed of as nothing more than much needed modernisation. One source that is historically interesting are Heath's Cabinet papers, released in 2002 under the 30yr rule, you need to be prepared to be bored sh**less with much of the mundane stuff, but ploughing through the papers reveals Heath & Co's duplicity over allowing the public to be aware of the loss of sovereignty, they discuss a conscious tactic to oppose arguments over loss of sovereignty, by making a pretty disingenuous case of "shared sovereignty"...the Left, in the guise of Tony Benn, Peter Shore and Michael Foot, plus right wingers such as Powell saw through it, but unfortunately ( in my view) they were opposed by virtually every mainstream publication and every mainstream establishment politician and not listened to...I was one of those who trusted the mainstream view. The simple fact is they were well aware that had the full implications been made known, the public would not have voted to join if a referendum had been the deciding factor. By the time of the '75 referendum virtually nothing appeared to have changed, and critically no one had ever made us aware that within 15 years the Economic Community that we remained in would become a European Union.
I'm not that well up on French politics but I'd suggest that anyone representing the establishment is in the same boat over there. Much like the rest of the world. The French are usually one of the first to pull the trigger where social unrest is concerned though.
Why don't we look at the historic evidence from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, who separated from the USSR under a No Deal scenario. https://online.norwich.edu/academic...sequences-of-the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union Estonia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Estonia "In early 1992, both liquidity problems and structural weakness stemming from the communist era precipitated a banking crisis." "Upon accession to the European Union in 2004, double-digit growth was soon after observed." Latvia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Latvia "After reestablishing its independence, Latvia proceeded with market-oriented reforms, albeit at a measured pace. Its freely traded currency, the lat, was introduced in 1993 and held steady, or appreciated, against major world currencies. Inflation was reduced from 958.6% in 1992 to 25% by 1995 and 1.4% by 2002. After contracting substantially between 1991–93, the economy steadied in late 1994" Lithuania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Lithuania "By 1998, the economy had survived the early years of uncertainty and several setbacks, including a banking crisis. " All 3 struggled immediately after leaving the Soviet Union, before gaining rapidly - particularly after joining the EU (and the Euro).
He might be, but he will still beat Le Pen when it comes to the next vote. She might get 25% of the people, but most of the rest will hold their noses and vote to stop her.
The public voted in 1975 to remain in the European Economic Community, not the political union that it turned into...had we had a referendum on the real changes of the late 80's early 90's it would have been a different matter.
