Boxing tonight

Luis Ortiz was a top heavyweight when Wilder beat him. He was ranked above Parker by almost every credible ranking publication when Parker was in his prime. Hearn just hates Wilder.

Wilder’s the biggest freak I’ve ever known in boxing. He isn’t a good boxer but 90%+ of the time he finds the KO.

The second Ortiz fight was looking more one sided than tonight until he found the KO.

The Spilka fight was similar.

Even going into the championship rounds tonight I thought he’d find the shot. Boxing will miss Wilder when he’s finished, you can’t take your eyes off it when he’s fighting.

 

Can hear a pin drop at the minute

 

Best AJ performance in ages. Delighted for him and he's silenced some doubters. He gets his huge pay days next year now.

 

I agree with Django above re Wilder. I watched his fights as he was coming up and he was losing or was dropped in many before he found the KO. There were some where I thought a defeat was inevitable.

Even in that round where he sparked Fury out, only for Fury to miraculously get off the canvas, I thought Fury won the round and, had he been a little more adventurous in the last 30 seconds, I thought Fury could have taken Wilder out. I can understand why Fury didn’t try this though, given what had happened moments before! Fury won that fight easily, let’s face it, and the result was a travesty.

 

Wilder is one of worst big name champions in the history of boxing.

Only win of note was against Ortiz who has talent but is nearly as old as me.

For years we have heard about him beating AJ, not a ******* chance.

We’ve heard that Fury smashes AJ because he beat Wilder.

There’s only one fight left, and for me it’s a 50/50 fight.

 

Styles make fights.

Parker beat Ruiz. Joshua beat Parker. Ruiz beat Joshua. Just as one fairly modern example.

Ignoring the others on the periphery without defeat, there are only two unbeaten elites left in the division. Fury and Usyk. And in 11 weeks we will see one those 0s go. Despite what Hearn says, that is the biggest fight in boxing. Two unbeaten fighters, a clash of styles (and personalities) and arguments to suggest both can win.

There will likely be a rematch either way which will potentially see the IBF stripped allowing AJ to fight Hrgovic. Thus, he gets to become 3 x Champ. Because Filip isn’t going to beat Joshua.

Those fights tie up 2024.

And let’s say for instance that Fury beats Usyk twice, you could then see Fury v AJ in 2025, another undisputed fight. Or, it could be Usyk. A trilogy for all the belts, and a chance for Joshua to sign off in style.

Hugely impressed by Parker though. Clearly helped being part of Fury’s team, but you’ve still to pull it off. Would like to see him rematch Joyce, or take on Zhang.

Dubois v Wilder would be great for either. Chance for Deontay to redeem himself. Opportunity for Daniel to keep building.

Bring on February.

 

Fury/Usyk or Fury/AJ?

Fury and Usyk will fight each other twice in 2024, as there no doubt will be a rematch clause.

There will be no undisputed then as the IBF will strip whoever has it so that it can be contested with Hrgovic and probably AJ. Winner will then get the chance again at undisputed against Fury and Usyk part 2.

Parker will have a say in things as well now after that performance so we could see some really good fights for the heavyweights next year

 

Aye up Whitey? Are you still working for the club, thought i saw you walk out of one the side streets on grove street around half 2

 

Apologies, I forgot about Usyk

 

I think it's hilarious that Wilder lost and AJ and Hearn will be annoyed he did. Its everything wrong with Boxing that fights don't happen when they should.

 

Stiverne the first time was a good win too.

Wilder’s now 38 & looks shot to pieces. It doesn’t mean that he was **** years ago when he was in his prime.

It’s the equivalent of Billy Sharp been useless at Hull & me coming online saying ‘see I told you he was always ****’.

In reality he’s just old & well past his best.

 

For me he's not fought many elite level fighters throughout his career even parker isnt a top 5 heavy weight and we saw him get beat by joyce previously. Ajs list of fighters he has fought is far better.

 

Joshua notable wins:
Dillian Whyte
Wladimir Klitschko
Joseph Parker
Alexander Povetkin
Andy Ruiz
Otto Wallin

Fury notable wins:
Dereck Chisora
Wladimir Klitschko
Otto Wallin
Deontay Wilder x2
Dillian Whyte

There a no other notable wins for either, in my opinion. Some will suggest Pulev for AJ, but he was always useless. A very old Chisora beat him. And some will ask why Chisora is a notable win on Fury's resumé - simple, they were both young and unbeaten, Chisora was strong favourite. Could have added the second beating of him, when Fury fought southpaw, but no real need. I've even given AJ the Ruiz win as notable. But let's not forget he was smashed to bits in the first fight, couldn't continue. But he's not having the bums like Breazeale and Martin as notable. Imagine getting a world title by beating Charles Martin.

Fury dethroned Wlad in his own backyard. It wasn't the most exciting fight, but it was a one-sided victory against all odds. Granted, AJ would knock out Wlad a couple of years later, in an absolute war. Great victories for both, for different reasons. AJ's uppercut knockout of an unbeaten Whyte was savage. Fury pulled off the same finish years later. I've only added Wallin to both lists because they've both fought him now. He was s**** against Fury a few years ago, but one rare punch caused two horrific cuts on one eye. Arguably could have been stopped to be fair. But Fury won 10 rounds at least. Otto looked as useless last night, barely landed a glove on AJ. It was impressive from Joshua against someone I'd expect Chisora (even now) to beat easily.

My favourite AJ fight is the win over Povetkin. He had some issues in that one, but was still that explosive, brave version of himself.

The best Fury fight was Wilder II. Annihilated him against all expectations. In his own backyard.

So all this resumé stuff doesn't really wash with me. Joshua has 100% fought a higher calibre of opponent by and large. But a lot of that is down to holding the belts (that Fury lost/gave up after popping for drugs - a note we have to mention, let's be fair). People point to the couple of bum fights that Tyson took, like Seferi and Pianetta. But let's again be fair and remember that he was built like a house for those, and just four months later he went and put on a show in the first Wilder fight.

I think both have beaten 7 unbeaten fighters in their career. And I think Fury's win against an unbeaten Wilder trumps AJ's against unbeaten Parker/Whyte.

And to finish, only one of them has lost three fights. Big credit to AJ for taking on Usyk who does generally look one of the best boxers there's ever been. And he wasn't embarrassed in either fight. But we'll see how Fury gets on against him. Styles make fights. I think AJ trying to out-box Usyk was a strange tactic. Tyson is a better boxer than AJ but I doubt he will be trying to out-box Usyk in February. You never know though with Fury. And I'll finally end by admitting Tyson was a shambles in that Ngannou outing. Watching it back and scoring it properly, he does win. But it was embarrassing and another stain on his career.

I'm a huge Fury fan but he's hard to like. I don't often like AJ either, his persona is bizarre. Whereas I really like Usyk as a character so if he is the man to end Fury's unbeaten run, it'd be a lovely story.

 

I agree with everything you put there. I was comparing a.js resumé to wilders who wilder had a great k.o ratio but the calibre of fighters he has come up against is no where near the sort that a.j and fury have.

Agree that styles make fights and the fury usyk will be interesting, although did fury duck that until the suadis put the money up? He is hard to like and I do think Simon Jordan and the other bloke from talksport made a very good point about him before the nanagu fight which fury spat his dummy out about that. Will be interesting to see fury face usyk next year and hopefully a.j after that. I've been to amateur shows with more atmosphere than what was in that arena last night but it's good that the Saudis are putting the money up and getting the fights made people want to see as we don't want to see fury fighting dillan whyte or a washed up chisora.

 

I’ll be very surprised if either of Fury or Usyk’s 0 goes in February. Firstly, the fight has to take place, which I won’t believe will happen until I see them both in the ring, as I am not convinced Fury actually wants the fight. And if there isn’t an injury or mystery illness that cancels the fight I can see it finishing a draw, as I don’t see either finishing it within the 12 rounds.

 

True about some not so gd fighters. But had to fight charles 'i walk this planet like a god' martin as it was for the title. AJ has had some great fights. Atill like him and looks good again.

 

Painful seeing the arena, I agree. No atmosphere. Empty seats everywhere. But, I do prefer not having to get up at 5am and I like that the huge payday is forcing these f***ers to fight.

Fair play to Joshua. Instead of fighting Wilder, which he should have done, he got to fight Wallin, and get lots of credit for that, whilst Deontay is now getting written off. AJ’s last three fights have been a decision against a factory worker, a mid-fight KO of a bloke Wilder sent to sleep in one round, and a spar against Wallin. It’s a terrible run. But he’s being built up again, the spin is in full flow, he is reborn, rejuvenated etc. Because it suits the money narrative.

 

I think it’ll happen. And I can see a case for all manner of endings. It’s an absolute 50/50. The best fight in boxing.

 

Nah, the best fight in boxing would be Deontay Wilder v Jonathan Gullis

 

To be fair aj got wallin out in under 6 a bloke that took fury all the way to points. And I bet he wishes he would have fought wilder on Saturday after the performance he put on against Parker.

I do think talk sport got it spot on with what they said about fury before the ngannu fight if you haven't heard it have a listen