Donald Trump

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  1. Marlon

    Marlon Well-Known Member

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    I Think the Raving Right eclipse anything the left have done or said .
    As is proven above.
     
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    He has got a point to be fair within that post. The media are ensuring Trump is re-elected because those voters that sit in the middle ground aren't interested in the impeachment, the dubbing and editing of incorrect quotes, the Hollywood stars speaking out from their mansion lifestyles, etc. They're creating the mess that everyone looks across the Atlantic at in dispair.

    I think most people accept that Trump is an idiot. But there's a lot of people, rightly or wrongly, that are not fans of the the screaming and hysteria that comes from the left. If that was toned down the Democrats would have a far better chance.

    I do find it interesting though how aggressive opinions are from people who don't live in the country, don't really know that many people who live in the country, and don't often visit the country. Not directed at you, just a general comment.
     
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    Some of the stuff from the mainstream media is a little slanted. Even i will admit quotes are occasionally taken out of context.
    Nevertheless, having followed US politics closely for four years and having family over there it's incontrovertible what a menace he is to the USA and to the world in general. He's doing actual harm to us all with climate change denial, isolationism and division.
    His lack of action on the coronavirus is literally killing people that needn't have died if he'd taken it seriously from the start.
    The man is ignorant. He's a criminal. His organisations including Trump University have been censured, shut down and fined. His associates have been jailed. He escaped indictment by Mueller only because it was ruled that a sitting President can't be indicted.
    The man is mentally weak, unbalanced and is a danger to us all. I have next to no time for Boris but compared to Trump he's a saint.
    It's not hysteria to point all of that out. It's what the majority of the media in the US do. The alternative is to stay quiet and let him make lying and criminality the norm.
     
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    You do realise the only reason the democrats couldn’t complete the impeachment on him was because the senate has a Republican majority. It’s nothing to do with anything you have put in your post or with anything the democrats did.

    It was just political/partisan that’s all. Everyone knows trump did it, everyone knows he’s an idiot, everyone knows his inadequacy will cost nearly a quarter of a million deaths in the US, and nothing will change that.

    How anyone can defend him is beyond me. How anyone in their right mind can blame the faux left is also beyond me.

    Trump isn’t just an anti left issue, he opposes anyone with any degree of sound thought process.

    The mans a complete idiot and a dangerous idiot at that.

    He’s probably the last person that should be in charge of the world biggest job.
     
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    And that is exactly the reason why people overseas are so vocal about him. He is potentially a danger to us all.
     
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    Just imagine the kind of things Obama would have been saying right now and for the last few weeks.

    The worlds being going mad for the last few years, this is now showing it up for really how mad it really is.

    The President is a nut job with no clue how to communicate or lead a nation/world in this perilous time and our public voted against the NHS only a few months ago to now understand what the reality of that is.
     
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    The impeachment was a complete sham . If anything it exposed the democrats corruption if anything else but I guess it meant the Dems got to talk about the " impeachment" for months on end instead of important stuff like Medicare for all of which we are now probably going to see the consequences of . Both the Dems and the republicans are corrupt . They are both paid off by the same corporate interests . Just because trump is bad does not necessarily mean that the Dems are good which is a picture large swathes of the media like to portray . If you want any evidence just take a look at the recent supposed US bailout which in short is the biggest corporate giveaway in US history while the everyday citizen got thrown crumbs , and yes both parties went along with it .
     
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    A little taste of reality . Both parties have thrown their citizens under a bus . Even the Bernie's and AOC s of this world grandstanded on capitol hill with their speeches then went right along with the bailout which will do nothing for the large majority of Americans .
     
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    I do agree that the democrats aren’t perfect, that’s the reason Bernie Sanders is an independent.

    America is built on corporate greed and the American dream, which is all a nonsense.

    Anyway, this thread was about Donald Trump and his lack of understanding and leadership is going to kill 100s of 1000s of US citizens.

    Why anyone is trying to defend that is fcukking bonkers.
     
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    But the tragedy is even if you had a Joe biden , bush , Obama etc it would not have made a blind bit of difference . Exactly the same would have happened . I agree trying to defend trump in this crisis is foolish , but to attack someone trying to defend trump is completely missing the point of what is wrong within US political circles .
     
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    The impeachment wasn't a complete sham. He was guilty as charged but exonerated by a partisan jury. Anybody who followed what went on knew he was stone cold guilty.
    Yes the Democrats are in many cases just as bought and paid for by corporate interests. I know which party I'd rather have in charge though. There are at least elements of the Democrats that want medicate for all rather than the Republicans who stand squarely against the very thought of it.
     
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    Sorry but I find it hard to believe the likes of Barack Obama or Hilary Clinton would have dealt with this the same as Trump. His use of language, branding it the "Chinese virus", told me all I needed to know. It was someone else's problem and doing, if it happens here it is their fault etc. etc.

    The kind of attitude you would expect from a petulant teenager.
     
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    In your opinion.

    Millions of Americans thought the whole thing was ridiculous and it increased his approval rating.
     
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    It certainly backfired as it divided the nation in the same way Brexit did for us.
     
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    The same people who voted him in in the first place, so no surprises there. The bloke's an idiot in clear cognitive decline but what his advisers have done in essentially turning politics into sports is genius. Now you pick a side and stick with it no matter what. A survey found that 62% of Trump supporters said that nothing he could do would change their allegiance. Stop and think for a second how completely fvcking mental that is.

    It's the equivalent of being willing to argue that Paul Jewell's Derby County side is the best team in Premier League history, only Derby County weren't running the country...
     
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    In any reasonable opinion he was guilty. He pressured Ukraine to say they were investigating Biden or they wouldn't get their aid. It's incontrovertible. America is totally fractured though. It's a corrupt and broken system. Sadly the UK is not that far behind them.
     
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    Now run that same poll in favour of the Democrats and switch the question. I bet it would be a lot higher as a percentage, no?

    Now you might see that as a positive, I'm not debating that, but the one way traffic and opinion on Trump, which to be honest is from people who don't live in the US and see the negatives/positives from his policies first hand, is really interesting.
     
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    Obama threw 5 million families out of their homes while simultaneously bailing the banks to the tune of trillions back in 2008 who then proceeded to use that money to buy all those homes for next to nothing . You d rather have those people in charge ? I'm sorry but this trump bailout is just more of the same and it's why the Dems have gone right along with it . Yep , you get the narrative that some factions of the Dems want good stuff like Medicare for all and I used to believe that . After witnessing the goings on over the last few weeks on capitol hill I've now realized that's a lie . They pay lip service to it , but that's all .
     
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    For every article that supports your opinion there are others that do the opposite. It is never as black and white as today's society likes to portray. The days of being able to sit in the middle and see both sides have long gone, not just in the US, but this country too. It's only because I'm furloughed and bored as hell that I'm engaging in this debate, because let's be honest, even though I'm not advocating anything Trump stands for or has done, this is a risky strategy on my part. It shouldn't be like that.
     
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    Out of interest.....is there anything that he's done that you think is good?
     

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