How I 'see' it..

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board ARCHIVE' started by Whitey, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. Whi

    Whitey Guest

    Not, how I 'have' to, or how I 'want' to see it - just making that clear for those on here who like to lump me and many others into some kind of camp or category.
    Btw, if I was in one, Id be category A. Because like Ginola, I am worth it..
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    Right then. Having ploughed through 16 hours of threads, I have a few points of 'my own'.
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    For madmark, who requested said information regarding "he's my right back" Scott Wiseman, here you are fella - the stats.
    Wiseman started the first 3 games, we gained 1 point. Hassell then started WITH him the next 2 games, we got 4 points.
    Dropped for Hassell, as we went 5 games unbeaten, conceding just 4 goals. Replaced Hassell at half time away at Pompey (0-0), we went on to lose 2-0.
    Started the next 5 games with Bobby injured, won 2, lost 3.
    Bobby returned, Scott dropped, we won 4 on the bounce. Wiseman back, WITH Hassell, we lost 5-3 to Ipswich.
    Hassell dropped. Wiseman started next 2 games - defeated by West Ham and Blackpool.
    Bobby recalled, WITH Scott wide right - we hammer Leeds 4-1, then lose 2-0 at Donny.
    Wiseman dropped next game - beat Leicester 2-1 away. Lost at home to Millwall next, when Henderson mugged JayMac and Foster throughout - Bobby replaced by Scott at 2-0.
    Wiseman recalled, we beat Derby 3-2, and he scored that lovely goal. Kept his place ahead of sub Hassell as we lost at Watford.
    Bobby then injured - Wiseman starts next 9 games, we win 1, draw 1, and lose 7.
    WISEMAN:
    Starts - 26
    Wins - 6
    Draws - 3
    Defeats - 17
    HASSELL:
    Starts - 18
    Wins - 8
    Draws - 5
    Defeats - 5
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    That is as fair a summary as I could offer. I have only compared our only two right backs - although JayMac played there against Blackpool.
    I think its worrying that Wiseman has started 17 of our defeats. I mean, how many have we lost in the season, 19, 20?
    To close on this, Scott Wiseman is NOT a defender, as I am not a dog, guitarist, nuclear physicist...
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    My next point is short and sweet. I do not want KK dismissed. He is well set to achieve his remit - safety/survival.
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    However, my next point - kind of related.
    He seems to have lost his swagger, his own faith in himself and HIS players, and, the plot.
    Why has it taken him all year to work out that JayMac is a liability? Stubborness perhaps. Who, after scouting - we must have - thought Nouble was any better than our OWN myriad of talented kids? Why are Wiseman and McNulty seemingly undroppable? And remember, I love Jimmy. But at times he has deserved dropping/resting, and yet no, he remains, Scott remains, and the clean sheets are still unachieved.
    Why have we brought in proven Championship players - Tonge and Cotterill - and largely ignored them? Are we paying them to get fit for their next move?
    Danny Drinkwater aside, Keith's upper echelon dealings - Ranger, Edwards, Smith, Park, Addison, Nouble, Cotterill, Tonge - have been poor to avg.
    No wonder he shops permanently at Aldi...
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    Oh, and we DID deserve to lose at Palarse - we switched off
     
  2. S.M.

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    Proves what Ive been saying

    and if you look at the goals we've conceded, they generally result from Wiseman either not getting close enough to his man, switching off or being out of position. If Hill persists with him at right back, I cant see us keeping a clean sheet and I fear we'll still be stuck on 43 points at the end of the season.
     
  3. Whi

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    Re: Proves what Ive been saying

    Thing is though, he looks decent going forward, as shown against Leeds wide right. I dont want him gone like JayMac, I think he'll improve. But he lacks everything - defensively - to be a success at full back, at this level. I would rather give John Stones a run there for these last 8 games. He cant be any worse, and perhaps play Wiseman ahead of him.
    Although, without O'Brien, Perkins etc, the full back has had little cover of late
     
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    Re: Proves what Ive been saying

    and then if we had a winger davies could actually played as the striker we bought him to be!

    Smacks of a player been played out of position just so a manager can get other certain/favourite players into the squad.
     

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