Petrol/Diesel cars

Garage staff/ tanker drivers/ etc etc, be loads losing work, i heard that the treasury gets approx one quid for every litre of fuel you put in ( ish) where the F%(k will they get that money back from

 

You won't need to own one (let alone 3), just text "car required" and one will turn up (driver less) and take you to your destination.

 

I think they have a tendency to err on the side of pragmatism....rather like VW...if the emissions are reading illegal...alter the software....everyone's happy!!

 

The wise words of Swiss Tony?

 

Re tax for road use. Obviously that will happen. The government needs money from taxation to run stuff like the NHS, education etc. As yet no public services run on water or fresh air.
Yes things need to improve before we can successfully eradicate petrol/diesel cars. That doesn't mean we have to stop trying to get from where we are now to where we want to be.
Fossil fuel use needs to be eradicated pretty damn soon or this planet is screwed.
If everyone sits around saying it won't work because of this or that then we'll never get anywhere. We need to be devising ways to MAKE it work.
That being said we have governments around the world who would rather see a booming petro economy that boosts their re-election chances than grasp the nettle and tackle some serious problems.

 

There is another side to this coin though, you are pumping CO2 into the environment on your trips to the Alps. So do we do nowt until we can solve the problem without changing our life-style?
Was listening to the Green Party today saying great to the electric car announcement but that its only a part of the jigsaw of changes that need to be made. It's not enough to swap ICE miles for electric miles. Your normal (and mine) will have to change Farnham, or not but it's worth giving it thought.

 

Most people don't buy *new* cars though. They lease them either privately or through their employer, which are then sold on second-hand to those that do buy. I can't see myself buying a car again - although this might change when I eventually retire.

 

Wasn’t showing off pal. But they’re £40kish for a model 3. You can pay extra for up to 350 miles. Plus if it is a company car, you get a substantial tax saving.

Whilst everyone won’t be able to afford one, not everyone buys a new car.... there will still be a second hand market.

 

I've been reading the varying points in this thread with interest and some good points covering different aspects from technological evolution, costs and infrastructure.

As human beings, we're generally pretty rubbish adapting to changes ahead of time. It can't be proven what will happen at certain points and so generally, we find it easier not to change until we absolutely have to.

At school in the mid to late 80s there was ample evidence of climate change. Damages to ozone. Glacial retreat. Ice caps covering less area than before and habitat loss for parts of global wildlife.

In 1985, the global population is suggested to be in the region of 4.8bn.

In 2020, global population is said to have surpassed 7.8bn. And the destruction in comparison to that time is pretty shocking.

In 35 years we've created 3bn more mouths to feed and 3bn more consumers to spend and create emissions and waste. Population is showing near hyperbolic growth.

If the planet is going to endure to any sort of degree that we're used to today, let alone 35 years ago, human beings are going to have to change behaviours and significantly. That will be inconvenient.

But it will be even more inconvenient if we fail to act now. We should have acted 35 years ago. Imagine 35 years forward if we fail to slow the rate of changes.

Personally I don't think humanity has the collective will to do enough to stop the destruction of our planet.

 

20 mins to charge to 50%... so about 150 miles on some. Not a great deal of time.

 

I would suggest if you’re doing those mileages,.. you should be having a rest of 30 mins at some point?

 

This is the issue... exponential rise of a world wide consuming population....

 

Just a thought and there will be some chemists and science bods who know the answer..... Oil doesn't just provide energy. The Petrochemical industry is vital in the modern world. I know many plastics originally made using petrochemical mineral residues and processes can be made using renewable organic but are there not some specialist ones for which there is no substitute?
If we stop digging the black stuff out of the ground will we be back to wood, metal and plastic and glass as the only materials we can make anything out of? I know carbon fibre for example, currently requires oil in the manufacturing process which is ironic when wind turbines, modern fuel efficient aircraft engine turbines as well as a host of other 'green' vital things use CF.

 

The aim would be to make all plastics renewable hence no need then to extract more hydrocarbons.

 

How much does it cost to charge a car, I would imagine more for bigger cars & less for smaller but roughly what are we speaking?