RACISM

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  1. pon

    pontyrich Well-Known Member

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    What a load of *****
     
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    Black people make up 12% of the population in the US but 26% of police murders. That’s the issue.

    I don’t personally think it’s completely racism though, although I think it is a factor. Black people are more likely to live in poorer neighbourhoods, thus more likely to encounter police, is the problem. Now is the fact that black people are more likely to be poor a result of systemic racism? It could certainly be argued.
     
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    He took one of the policemans Taser and during the ensuing pursuit, he turned and fired it at
    the officer giving chase. It looked as though the policeman was going to catch him, so in the
    circumstances, there really was no need to shoot him.
     
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    Carlycu5tard Well-Known Member

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    Aye - load of **** them statistics like.


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    Didn’t get as far as the statistics
     
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    Can you not see that graph is utterly worthless?
     
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    It's not utterly worthless. It has a context. But it neither tells the whole story or no story - in that it raises more questions than it answers.
     
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    Twice as many white people shot in a country where they make up 73% of the population. Killings are disproportional....
     
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    But what if people in the lowest 10% of income made up 90% of the victims.?

    Isn't the fact that black people tend to be poorer more relevant?


    I can't disagree - I guess it's the degree where there's a difference.



    Are people poor becuase of racism?

    If it were because of racism wouldn't chinese, indian and Korean be in the same boat?

    Again - you can't rule all of it out - but there has to be something within the culture - like there's something within Indian and Korean culture for academic achievement that isn't present in black culture?
     
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    Interesting. Item on statistics
    but not specific to this case as he hadn’t committed a violent act. In the first place.
    My biggest problem is guns used in such instances. You’d have thought in this day and age Eg a tranquilliser dart would be developed to knock out a culprit straight away. I am aware that this method was once looked at but not reliable in knocking someone out in the time it would take for a Comeback reaction. Tasers work to a degree but as found out. The man managed to get hold of the item.
    A tranquilliser could have been used to restrain
    George Floyd. Or are they deemed more dangerous as in the latest case than a bullet.

    A study carried out at the University of California found "evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans compared to unarmed white Americans".[1] In this study, the probability of being shot by the police as a black, unarmed person versus as a white, unarmed person was 3.49 times higher. Unarmed Hispanics' likelihood to be shot was 1.67 times higher than for unarmed Whites. However, these stats do not reflect that people get shot when coming into contact with the police which is usually whilst carrying out a violent criminal act or being arrested for a criminal act. Black men represent around 6% of the population but commit around 53% of murders and 60% of robberies. Even so they only represent 25% of people killed by police whilst non blacks suffer 75% of the people shot and killed for less than half the crimes. [11]
     
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    NO - it doesn't tell the whole story - but it isn't worthless - it does tell part of the story.

    Just becuase the percentage is higher doesn't mean race is the driver.

    If you draw the venn diagram a different way - the conclusion would be that poor people - regardless of race are the victims of police brutality.

    Beacuse poor people commit crime, are drug addicts and live in areas where police get a twitchy trigger finger.


    There's a bigger issue are whether black people are poor due to race discrimination - but I don't beleive that either.
     
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    If they're not poor due to historic racial discrimination why are they poor?
     
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    There's a bigger issue are whether black people are poor due to race discrimination - but I don't beleive that either.


    So no racism in America then?
     
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    I don't know.

    No one can say racism against Koreans, Pakistanis' and Indians or Jews hasn't been a thing - but these minorities don't (appear) to suffer in the same way from entrenched poverty..

    There's the possible issue of strength of the familiy unit - black families tend to miss father figures more than most - rastafearans I don't think believe in monogamy. I'm not sure how wide this trait spreads in wider black culture.

    Theres' also a theory that becuase of the depth of poverty in black communitires that anyone esacping poverty spreads their wealth so thinly it doesn't go very far or last for long. So here I can't disagree that historic discrimination is a major factor - but i would personally make a distinction between historic and current discrimination.

    But the solution all round is to get folk out of poverty.
     
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    Well this thread is totally out of character.

    I'm surprised the OP would post such a thing.
     
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    Perhaps the fact he was under the influence affected his decision making. I'm more interested in the decision making process of the armed professionals in this confrontation who were presumably in possession of all their faculties when concluding that it justified the use of lethal force.
     
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    That is true.
    But that isn't.

    I've been shocked by the extent of police brutality in the US. I knew there was a problem, I didn't realise the magnitude. When you watch incidents that occurred over a number of years condensed into a 10 minute YouTube video or news segment it can give you a false sense of proportion. It's the Odejayi show reel effect. Watch a 10 minute compilation of Kayodi's greatest hits and you could easily be forgiven for concluding he's an excellent player. Watch 10 minutes of the very worst the police have done in the last 10 years and the conclusion it's endemic and systemic may not be correct. It's something to be wary of.

    But then you watch police forces throughout the US bring violence and brutality to anti police brutality demonstrations, attacking indiscriminately with night sticks and chemical agents, running people over with cars, and it's almost beyond parody it's so far beyond the limits of what's acceptable. Their victims were people who hadn't done anything wrong. How do they act toward people who they suspect have? Well they shoot them, kneel on their neck, subject them to ridicule and violence and while Kayodi struggled to fill his 10 minutes, police violence videos from the US could continue for days and days and would still be barely scratching the surface.

    Your post isn't a load of ****. The biggest problems are the ones you highlighted. But racism is also a factor. It results in those with darker skin pigment being disproportionately subjected to the violent bullying practices of officers who are supposed to protect and serve.

    Police brutality has to stop. No matter who the victim. All lives matter. But the targeting of black people also has to stop. The two can go together hand in hand.
     
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    It tells no story. Bizarrely the data that tells the whole story is freely available and has already been posted here several times.
     
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