School skirts

Me too, just googled it. Seems to be trainers priced for people who like to waste ridiculous sums of money. Designer clothing is such a con.

 

Yes, schools have uniform rules

 

My daughters high school in Doncaster had a protest today. Ended up with 5 police cars arriving and a number of kids were arrested.

 

I think the lining up and measuring is weird and totally unnecessary but then what do you do when they're pushing it constantly? There has to be boundaries. That's why I suggested that wouldn't it just be easier to say that instead of boys being forced to wear trousers and girls having options wouldn't it be a lot easier to say that everyone wears the same uniform? Would solve so many issues and at what cost? Everyone being treated equal


To be honest though I don't care. I don't go to a school, work in one or have kids who go to one. Makes zero difference to my life I just saw the news and thought it was interesting that it could quite easily be solved a problem forever if all genders had the same uniform instead of allowing one more freedom which rightly or wrongly always causes problems. But it's not something I care about, just thought it would be an interesting discussion on the BBS with everyone having different views and knowing how many teachers there are on here

 

Boys can wear skirts too in most schools now, they just don’t want to. Shorts should always be on offer to both though. Skirts aren’t measured at my school and it’s not a problem, you see a couple of very short skirts but so what? It doesn’t cause an issue. We might quietly advise someone to pull theirs down a little if it has ridden up to the point where you can basically see underwear but it normally is that it has ridden up and they’re happy to adjust it. That’s probably because they know we’re being subtle and friendly when we say it and that we’re not saying it’s for anyone else’s benefit or stood there with rulers.

 

Dear Reds, an interesting topic and I work part time as a Supply teacher at a large senior school with 1400 pupils. I have been there on and off over 3 or 4 years and the last problem that the school management will be trying to solve is that of pupils incorrectly wearing school uniform. Just too much hassle for a little gain in learning. Of the 700ish females, of which some are in transition for male to female gender, 95% wear skirts, the others wearing trousers. Of the skirt wearers, 99.9% wear the skirt at the bum cheek line, hardly worth wearing one. I feel a bit sad for them as their priorities should be learning and not trying to get people to look at them, especially with the multiple layers of makeup plastered on. The school is making small changes but it needs the support of the parents/guardians and all the school staff to enforce the changes.
When I attended Raley Secondary in the early 70's we did not have a uniform and I found that worked well and all the girls worn skirts around knee length.
Then I joined the Royal Navy for 30 years and unfortunately had no problems with the WRNS and then female RN personnel, trying to wear their skirts up to the bum cheek line! The flash of females wearing stockings and suspenders always caused a second glance!
What I feel should happen at school is that if pupils are rigidly made to wear uniform then so should staff. Or, to avoid having the government to pay a staff uniform upkeep allowance, the school should have regulations for how much bear flesh staff should expose.
Happy reading.

 

I can honestly say I’ve never seen staff wearing skirts/dresses so short that they show their bum cheeks.

I think the problem with enforcing a specific length on students in a mixed school is that boys don’t get used to seeing a bit of skin as normal. The lads at our school won’t get overexcited if they see a short skirt out in the wild as they see them every day and it’s normal to them. It also helps to not reinforce the notion that girls are ‘asking for it’ if they wear something short. If they can wear it to school, the least sexy of places, then it’s obviously not that risqué or an invitation to anything else.

 

Was this over the toilet rules?

 

Yes and being checked by male teachers for skirt length. If I’m being honest and I spoke to Annie at length before she went to school, it did feel like that it has become more of a tik tok/viral protest than any thing of substance.

I did write to my MP (Ed Milliband) yesterday though about how these schools are treating kids inhumanly around toilet breaks and basic human rights and decency.

It’s a disgrace that kids aren’t allowed to use the toilet for hours on end. I’ve complained to the school a few times and have been told the rules and yet the teachers don’t follow them.

Schools are becoming like concentration camps. Terrible teaching and prison like conditions.

 

What are the toilet rules?

 

They are alllowed to go during lesson change (but they then have a teacher stood on the door not allowing kids in).They are allowed to ask the teacher 30 minutes after lesson start to go to the toilet, then teachers don’t allow them.

My Daughter was told no a few weeks ago, and the teacher screamed at her ‘You need to go to the doctors to get a letter to say why you need a wee in my lesson’.

She’s a 12 year old girl, who sometimes needs to ****. She’s also of an age where certain things change for girls, which is hard enough as it is, without a teacher shouting about personal health in a class full of kids.

As I said, I’ve been given the rules by the head of year, only for the teachers to massively disregard them.

I’m not going to say anymore actually because I’ve just remembered her form tutor is a member of the BBS.

 

Haha good call. Sounds like the classic football ref problem. Rules are there but refs pretend they haven't seen the shirt tug and make it up as they go along

 

At one of the schools I Supply teach, which if it is not my main subjects of maths and physics, it is more like crowd control, the pupils have to fill in their planner with time and date of toilet request. Then I have to sign it, but no other teacher knows my signature, and state the lesson I am teaching. It they have a phone, the pupil leaves it behind and goes to the loilet. Some pupils use it as and excuse of a walk. I am not allowed to let another pupil of the same sex a toilet visit until the first one has returned. Access to year 7 toilets are by the pupil using a lanyard pass to stop older pupils going in with them and causing trouble. Some toilets are locked due to damage and another is locked as being used as a vaping venue!
Being of the older generation, things have certainly changed since I was at school going to the toilet but not sure though if mischievous behaviour was still in existence then.

 

I’ve not said this so I’m ok.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.u...-as-peaceful-pupil-protest-turns-ugly-4041076

 

That moron SAM SmIth is apoplectic with this thread

 

They are nothing like concentration camps! The toilet issue is a tough one, 30 odd pupils all wanting the toilet in lessons can become very disruptive. The school mine went to allowed kids out of lessons but had a member of admin staff sat at a desk outside. It stopped any going to the toilet to mess around.

 

The clues in the name - “uniform”, not “wear-what-you-want-form”.
The local secondary school here has pleated skirts for girls - all look the same, same length, no ambiguity. Seems reasonable to me.

 

The toilet issue is something that I feel very strongly about, especially for girls for very obvious reasons. Some teachers can get a bit uppity about kids going during the class, but as it's a girls' grammar school they are generally quite understanding. Well-motivated girls don't usually have issues with skiving lessons in the toilets. However, at my wife's school toilets are physically locked during lessons and medical toilet passes are required. Granted it's quite a rough school which has had big issues with attendance in the past (and still does) but I can't believe that physically preventing the kids from peeing is the best option.

 

Understand the need to avoid disruption but not at the cost of humans being allowed to go to the toilet when required.

I remember being told No when I was at school (90s) and I just got up and went anyway. Teacher tried to give me a detention but I just didn't go to that. Phoned my Mum at work who gave them a gobfull for bothering her at work because i had been to the toilet. That was the end of it. Depressing to hear things haven't improved and we still have nonsense like skirt length and toilet breaks going on.