Sorry and all that

But the state/government/law enforcement agencies whatever, has **** ALL right to my DNA or any other information of a personal nature. Just on the off chance that I may commit a crime at sometime in the future. What the hell sort of society is that ? We are all then servants of the state. If I live my life abiding by the laws of the land then I should be able to go about my business unhindered.

Any argument that I am thus sympathetic to terrorism, criminals or don't understand the difficulties the police have in dealing with crime and terrorism are null and void.

Liberals 'r' us.

 

Ok then.

So, in a few years time, some badass breaks into your house while you are out and rapes & kills your wife. Leaves no fingerprints cos he's worn gloves but leaves some hairs/skin samples/spunk behind.

He's never been arrested before therefore his DNA is not on the database. Plus there was no witnesses etc

The police have no leads on who it may be.

Seems he might get away with it eh?

Unless of course, he was on a national database from birth.

Thoughts?

 

Dirk's got married?

Nah, that is never going to happen.

 

Sorry!

I know that might sound a bit rediculous, but it was just to put things in context!

 

Dirk, same question to you as to Acky.

"If there was an overwhelmingly (from your perception) positive reason for collecting DNA samples, say for example for some medical reason, would you object to the incidental use of said DNA sample to fight crime in the way I suggested, or would you preclude such use in the small print, so as to protect the innocent criminal?"

I may be being thick, but I don't see how someone having a record of your DNA is going to somehow hinder your life. There is an enormous amount of info collected by "the state" (I can see where you feel that term to be 1984ish) about you now, your address, date of birth, employment details, income, parentage, tax, driver's license details, national insurance records, passport info, credit history, medical history, blood group etc, much of which I can see could be perceived by some as intrusive. I fail to see how adding a DNA sample to a national database that could then be used to help YOU, ie the innocent party going about his business in an honest orderly manner can be perceived as taking us further down the Orwellian route than we already are.

Your attitude is even more puzzling given your post yesterday under the heading "1 less oik" (Can't remember the rest) when your distaste for the criminal was self evident. Surely getting even more "oiks" off the street is what you are looking to achieve?

 

Can you honestly say that you can't see any chance of the system being abused?

All those records you talk about are sold on to any Tom, Dick and Harry. That's why you get so much junk mail and junk e-mail and how a credit card company knows your credit history and all the gas and electric companies and any other company that wants to get their hands on your records. So if our DNA is put on file, do you really think no one would get their hands on that? How much would that info be worth to say a life insurance company? If they'd got your DNA on file and it showed you were likely to get certain diseases, would they insure you? Would an employer employ you? What kind of society would we create? And if the present has taught us anything it's that these details WILL get out.

As for crime prevention, it's of no use. It would help catch those that did crimes, but DNA testing, despite the claims, is not 100%. How much lazy police work would we have to deal with? A cast iron alibi is nothing if they've got your DNA. What if mistakes had been made with your DNA?

“It was you mate, it says so on this computer, I don’t care where you were.”

 

oooh, we are all "on one" this aft.

I would simply say, if the government wants my DNA they can have it. I just thought that all the people who have something to hide would object. I have nothing to hide, so why object to it?

 

Blimey I like this one

It's all kicking off on the BBS today.

I'm with Steve on this one. Which I think, reading between the lines, makes me hitler or something.

We don't live in a society capable of changing a great deal, so the horizon continues to look bleak. Successive Governments don't have the back bone to apply long term policies that might effect their popularity and so it's all about quick wins and vote winners, which in my opinion doesn't make for bright future for generations to come. This kind of intervention might just help. That or hang everyone that parks on double yellows.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is someone worse then hitler, erm dirty den or something.

so there

***fingers in ears and not listening now***

 

How would you know it was the killer that left the spunk behind?

Could've been anyone, she'd probably be getting it somewhere else, Dirk's imaginary wife.

 

I bet Dirk's imaginary wife is a right whore

And fat. And ugly.

 

RE: I bet Dirk's imaginary wife is a right whore

Any hole is a goal.

 

RE: I bet Dirk's imaginary wife is a right whore

man, woman or beast, from what I hear.

 

RE: I bet Dirk's imaginary wife is a right whore

Life/Dirk is too short to be picky.

 

I wonder if Dirk's imaginary wife

Works in my imaginary shop. I bet she does.

 

he's very quiet

through this abuse.

I reckon he's gone to do a "brown eye test" on his fake missus.

 

He's probably sneaked off home to try and catch her at it

Now that he knows she's such a dirty scrubber.

I like Dirk's imaginary wife, I bet she knows some good jokes.

 

Why are you so keen to give away all your freedoms and individuality to the State just on the off chance someone breaks in and murders someone in your family? Are you REALLY so scared?

Tell you what, while we're at it, why not have the government install CCTV cameras in everyones homes and link them to a central police centre, that way all manner of domestic crimes, break in's and murders can be recorded? I mean, you can obviously never be too safe and if you are happy to give up your personal DNA you surely wont mind being watched 24hours a day in order to know you are safe......right?

 

RE: Blimey I like this one

Den, you seem to have no faith in the government to alter things, yet you want to give them more power? Soz lar, can't see the logic in that one.

*scratches head*

 

That's the problem Acky

You can read anything into anything.

Yes I have no faith in this government, I had no faith in the last government and I don't hold out much for governments to come. This is due to the fact that we are continuing to follow american society and politics will become all about the front man. I'm waiting for the day when the Harry Potter star becomes our political leader. "cause he seems nice".

Tell me how exactly that's going to change and you may restore my faith. I'm not an activist like yourself, but I'm guessing somewhere in your challenge authority on everything policy, you see it going somewhere positive?

I'd love to know like.

I'm not trying to give the government more power, I'm trying to consider a suggestion that might take away the fear of walking round the street at night, because under our current society, nobody seems accountable for anything.

 

RE: Dirk, same question to you as to Acky.

Its not necessarily hindering my life its about the right as an individual not to give the very essence of my being to some government department without my express permission. The last time I checked this country was a form of democracy, not some totalitarian state where when the government demands something and they get it. If this had happened back in the 80's in the USSR, I wonder how many people on here would have thought it was a reasonable course of action, and I wonder how many would have rightly seen it and condemned it for what it is?

I find it hilarious that people in this country are in a general sense sceptical of politicians motives, yet if some people were to be asked for their DNA they'd hand it over like it was a bag of penny chews.