Has Sheffield Wednesday tried to KILL our competitiveness ???

I think it will all depend on how long Ronaldo or Messi have got left on their contracts

 

No I don't.

 

So what's the solution? When's the correct point for offering a new contract? Obviously you don't offer it straight after they've signed, because they've just signed, so you don't need to.

And you can't wait til too long into the contract, cos then you've let it 'run down', and they won't re-sign.

Adding automatic extensions based on performance is going to be very difficult to negotiate, as a lot of players coming to BFC will see it as a stepping stone to go from lower league football onwards, and we all know how much reds fans love a release clause.

So when you're making your daily proclamation about how **** January was, tell us how it should be done instead, as well as why it was ****.

It's getting bloody boring now.

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Really really boring

 

If you can afford the players that are trying to push you out of whatever you are trying to achieve, I'd do the same.
In January, we looked serious contenders for thy sixth spot at the expense of them. They could afford Winnall and Hourihane and tried to get them, knowing we'd have less chance of trying to get into the play offs.

 

You come on here all the time with your barely understandable 'English', complaining and berating those in charge. You never offer any solution, you never praise anyone. It's getting f*cking boring.

I'm ashamed to say I share the same planet as people like you, never mind the same football club.

 

The number of contracts ending at the same time is partly due to circumstance after relegation, and needing to off-load several players and replace likewise at that time. Looking at Winnall and Hourihane, both joined on 3 year contracts (and Scowen on a 2.5 year contract) for our first season in league one. Given that neither Winnall or Hourihane would sign another contract (Cryne's words at the preseason meeting) then in my opinion we have done well out of them both, and Scowen, - a return to Championship football, and consolidation this year, and a fee for both. Personally I'd have preferred to have kept them until May and let them go for free, but there you go. Letting them go last summer, probably for more money admittedly, would have been a poor option in football terms (poorer than then going in January) and would have seen the club castigated for no ambition at that point too, just as in January. If you want to look at it financially, both Hourihane and Winnall have contributed massively to us getting £6mill TV revenue following promotion, and at least the same again for next season.

How do you solve the contract situation regarding contract length or extensions? Ultimately, we can only offer what we think is viable, and whether it's an extended offer or a new long term deal, the players now hold all the cards and regardless of flexible terms, clauses or whatever we think can be put in what is effectively a fixed term contract, it needs two signatures to be valid.

Watkins - would he have signed a three year deal? Was it better for him to take a two year deal so that he wasn't tied for any longer? Was he unsure about us as a club, an area to live etc etc? Who knows, pure speculation. But again, we've done well out of that deal.

Losing good players at any time grates with supporters and i genuinely do get the frustrations and disappointment. But there are clubs out there, many below us, with highly (or higher paid than us anyway) paid apparently quality players, but who only make up mediocre, sometimes poor, football teams. Our challenge is now to see if we can replace players who do leave with those of at least similar ability but who also fit into Hecky's vision of the team. It'll be fairer to judge the club in another couple of years when potentially we could really have established ourselves at this level again, with 3-4 years of TV income, which might facilitate contracts with more financial clout for extensions, longer terms etc. Judging us on the basis of one, admittedly disappointing transfer window, given how those at the club, on and off the field, have contributed to picking us up off our arse over three years, is harsh.

 

They wouldn't sign back on full stop. The club tried to retain them all at various stages. But the club doesn't have the financial muscle to compete when said players know other clubs can offer them a million a year in wages, and beyond.

Rather than complaining about that and firing cheap barbs at our directors, you should be thanking them for refusing to put our club in jeopardy by increasing our wage bill beyond our means.

Oh, and as I keep saying, perhaps if you attended games and paid into the club it would help? No? Thought not.

 

Because we let them run down aka not tying them down before they had the chance to become arrogant championship footballers.

 

I can use after effects and premiere pro for work. If I volunteer to help use them for the club do I get to act like I'm the most in the know man on the board too?

 

But in all reality mate, would they have signed even, let's say, January 2016? Given we struggled against relegation for a lot of the first half of last season, they certainly would not have wanted to sign then. Offers came in for Winnall that year in January. Our chances of getting promoted did not really come to fruition until March, when it was realistic. I don't think there was ever a 'good time' when they would have definitely signed a new deal

 

Yeah fair point! Think hourihane might have possibly signed an extension if we'd asked in time with the proviso he is available to higher clubs
Having said that knowing I'm a broken record I believe we would have made play offs if we had dug in and let hourihane leave at the end of the season all those narrow results turn to wins under his leadership and it's perfectly possible.

 

The club was in an impossible position regarding contracts.

We'd just been promoted, and didn't know if any of our players would be good enough for the championship, so what happened if we had them all on extended contracts and then went straight back down like wigan?

By the time these players had proven themselves at this level, other clubs and agents were turning their heads, probably hence why Watkins wanted out, and scowen is still talking over his contract.

It's not just as simple as taking them in the office.





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Harsh. I use movie maker. Premiere pro left in January.

 

We're in the same boat as all those clubs on the outskirts of Manchester. Blackburn, Bolton, Oldham have all had their days in the sun, but sunny days are few and far between. Eventually, the big boys look over the garden fence and pick off your assets one by one until you are no longer a threat. We have to get used to the food chain.

 

Whilst it's disappointing to continually lose your best players, it's wasted energy continually banging on about it.

We've always done it, just as we've often nicked the players off smaller clubs.

Unless we are taken over by a mega rich owner, nothing will change, and even then, it's not always ONLY the money.

Bournemouths owner could have probably afforded to keep Matt Ritchie playing in the premier league, but he couldn't offer him the chance to play in front of 50k adoring fans every home game.

Of course it's always about the money, but other things come into play as well.

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If they fail to go up watch them come in for PH...

 

I think it's nailed on they'll replace Carlos if they fail to reach the playoffs. But I expect they'll go for someone else, not Paul. But who knows? It's a funny old game.

 

It will be consolation for us after seeing the Blunts already come up, watching the Fowls blow up again in the play offs

 

Homecoming for Nigel Pearson.....