Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

Well I'm hoping that common sense will prevail. That for me means compromise from both sides..

 

I can only comment on why I voted to stay in. Not in hindsight but the reasons I voted in the first place.

- I heard a lot about immigration and foreigners taking our jobs. Take back our borders. However we, if we had the ability, resources and knowledge would only be in control of our side. We would have to agree border rules with all other countries in which case immigration may be a trading point and could get worse especially that the borders as a singular nation are much larger than under the EU.
- The UK industry sector has severely reduced (under our Gov). One aspect that we do thrive in is Innovation and R&D. The UK was the second biggest beneficiary of R&D funding from the EU. We potentially could lose one of our biggest assets.
- This government has shown no interest in the UK manufacturing industry, We are driven through austerity instead of investing. Do we trust our governments alone to manage our economic growth and manufacturing sector?
- The trade deficit is due to the export / import trade position driven by the large multinational organizations based here. Many may choose to relocate costing jobs and disadvantage the economy.
- I didn't trust those who lied about what leaving would mean. I also didn't trust the government in power. Interesting that many cited the Brexit vote as a protest to the gov yet the Gov Leadership vote straight after still allowed the Torys in power.
- I felt the future of our country short term and long term was safer under the EU. Better to be in it and help steer than out and be a victim. If it dismantles in 20 years that's ok as there would have to be a managed program to do so.


No one has given me a good argument that would change my mind and in fact the reason I'm more determined on the Stay vote is the lies that have come to light, the brexit leaders running a mile for cover and the illegal campaign that was run. Im interested to hear though having said all this what people who voted out feel they personally will gain from BREXIT.

 

Has Rupert realised his money would be better off invested elsewhere??

 

The day Nigel Farage and the other Brexiteer MEPs relinquish their guaranteed salaries and pensions they have acquired through being in the EU parliament even though they allegedly only enlisted to get us out will be the day I will accept Brexit as it stands.
Not gonna happen is it ?

 

[QUOTE="JamDrop, post: 2166141, member: 55920"

Had they known it would have been made legally binding and this was to be the aftermath they'd have voted remain. I voted remain but was under the impression that the vote was to get a general idea of the feeling of the public and then discussions would happen based on the general opinion, not that we would sign Article 50 before any discussions happened.[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised you came to that conclusion in view of the Govt leaflet that we received prior to the vote....the same message was repeated in almost every debate in the campaign.


"The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide
if we should remain in or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK
to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen
the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path
into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what
you decide."

 

I’ve changed my mind , I have yoghurt and fruit now instead of bacon sandwiches

 

Not all of us voted for reasons of personal gain.

 

What are your reasons for thinking you made the right choice?
I'm seriously interested RedCB

 

I'm surprised you came to that conclusion in view of the Govt leaflet that we received prior to the vote....the same message was repeated in almost every debate in the campaign.


"The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide
if we should remain in or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK
to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen
the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path
into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what
you decide."[/QUOTE]


Surely in a proper democracy the true will of the people is paramount.
Nobody but nobody ,remain nor leave believes that we were told the truth about consequences and benefits of either leave or remain .
Only now is snippets of what truly happens is leaking out amongst the population .
Already I hear many people who voted leave wishing with hindsight that they had voted differently .
Surely to goodness we are not gonna leave something that people are not sure they want to leave or are having a rethink.
This holding people’s feet to the fire because it was supposedly a one off vote is not democracy .
For goodness sake if we sign a contract for utilities we have time to rethink before the contract sinks in .
We have been lied to by both sides , we have more realistic information now than at the time of voting .
The Tories have made a pigs ear of the negotiations so imo now is the time for a true vote .witjiut the far left or far rights propaganda machine .sureky that’s democracy that we are allowed to change our minds or at least given the opportunity .stop holding our feet to the fire the decision is more important to get right than argue how many goes it takes

 

Voted remain, was shocked and aghast when leave won, and I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that leaving is anything less than a complete socio-economic disaster for old industrial working class areas like ours.

The south east will likely do ok, how the people of places like Barnsley, donny, Rotherham voted out in the numbers they did is beyond me, of course there are plenty of sensible reasons for some but for the majority it seems like turkeys voting for Christmas to my eye - but there we go.

I can’t see anything but areas like ours being further neglected and being left yet further behind with no eu backing and trust only in a London biased central government.

The fact the campaigns were so flawed and the vote as close makes it even more bitter to swallow.

To hear them talking about the will of the people you’d think it went 80/20, not less than 52% on a 72% turnout.

The result of the referendum statistically was ‘we don’t know’, not ‘we all want out’. Not more than half of the people eligible voted to leave, 48% voted remain, 28% abstained or couldn’t decide. At least 63% of eligible voters did not ask for Brexit, only 37% did.

One thing for certain is that not all, or even that many, of the 51.9% (37% of eligible voters) will have voted for what will actually be delivered, so in actual fact what we will get - whatever that actually may be - will be the desire of a very small minority.

The 48% who voted stay knew exactly what that would mean. Those who voted leave still have no clue - and so voted for their interpretation. Very few people will get what they thought they were voting for, fewer in my view will in any way benefit, and many (again in my opinion) will be detrimented to a large extent.

 

Theresa May might be but not the Establishment Elite.
They covet it !

 

Duplicate post

 

Im sure thats correct. Neither did i. But my question did ask that.

 

Have to disagree here.
I think you're way out.

 

Couldn’t have made it any clearer. From 39mins.

 

The 48% who voted stay knew exactly what that would mean. Those who voted leave still have no clue - and so voted for their interpretation. Very few people will get what they thought they were voting for, fewer in my view will in any way benefit, and many (again in my opinion) will be detrimented to a large extent.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but you're obviously a Remainer from the school of superiority who thinks that you know better than the stupid 52% who wanted out....how can you say the 48% knew exactly what that would mean...and yet others didn't?

 

I accept that, but I would say the vast bulk of the population on either side didn't vote for personal gain reasons.

 

But we will have a worse quality of life to pretty much all of Europe for my lifetime.

 

To be honest though...you actually don't know that at all.

 

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I'm surprised you came to that conclusion in view of the Govt leaflet that we received prior to the vote....the same message was repeated in almost every debate in the campaign.


"The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide
if we should remain in or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK
to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen
the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path
into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what
you decide."[/QUOTE]

People believed it was an advisory referendum because U.K. constitutional law dictates that all referendums must be just that.