So out means remain

This post just about sums up my feelings as well, although I will add the following:
1. That the main proponents of leave were the people who are financially comfortable to withstand any downturn in the UK's economy.

2. That the said same people will benefit hugely from a hard brexit, doing away with many of the regulations that protect thw majority of the populace.

3. This whole sorry saga was done poorly from the very start - a poorly worded referendum, not making the referendum ADVISORY only, putting a minimum %age needed to leave.

4. Not making Cameron actually deliver Brexit himself - after he did say he would invoke Article 50 himself.

 

True

 

I don't know, the leavers say we will be better off and the remainers say we will all starve, it's been laughable tbh, from 2016 it's been a shambles from both sides, both scaremongering, hindsight is a wonderful thing if only we were told the pro's and cons before the referendum then this pathetic school playground antics may not have divided friends and families, but they didn't, it was a very simple question which was asked at the time, where nobody from either side before the vote laid down what could happen if either side got the vote, the long and short and the fact of the matter is again, we were simply asked if we wished to remain or leave

 

I want Churton and Farnham Red installed in govt please

 

Illey out !!

 

It's a cluster **** of epic proportions - the one thing it has shown imho is that we've devolved competency in all areas of public policy to Brussels for 40 years - this has left a vacuum of politicians at Westminster who have the ability to properly govern and take strategic decisions - and also that the EU isn't some benign kindly trade organisation - it's a supra national government with reaches into all aspects of our lives - this has been hidden from view and hence the massively over simplistic view that we can just change direction at the flick of a switch. We can't - it's a process not an event - but the ERG mob have taken hold of govt policy, told barefaced lies about EEA/EFTA - as have staunch remainers - both sides have painted that as giving up control, taking orders etc - b0ll0cks - if you want to trade with ANY organisation/country etc - you trade on mutual terms - ie you take some 'rules' - the immaturity of the debate since June 16 has been beyond parody. Farage, Professor Grayling and the rest are a shower of self serving fcuknuts, and the worst bit is politicians allow themselves to be influenced by these *****.

We'll end up exiting with no deal or being a vassal state for a few years. Superb.

 

Brexit is the illegitimate child of fascism.

 

On the nail

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!!!

 

Looking at the current Tory Party, and Corbyn and McDonnell on the Labour side, I'd go with more control from Europe, not less.

 

Not even portsmouth tyke gets my dark humour.

 

May’s deal would be leaving. Happy to help.

 

God forbid we end up heading down the American route. Shocking labour laws, removal of financial protection, environmental protection, health and safety at work protection, hundreds of people shot dead in the street every week and minimal to non existent free health care. Appalling. Farage must approve of it though with him being a big fan of Trump.

 

I'm not 100% certain on this, but I think the UK has had more civil wars than any other country (at *least* 4 - War of Roses, Civil War, Irish Independence and the Troubles). I have started to believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with the British psyche that means we need something to fight and without external wars it is channeled internally into self-hatred.

 

Appologies

 

Thankyou

 

May’s deal would be leaving. Happy to help.

 

Well said.