Extremist Labour Party policies

Apologies for moving out of the footy sphere but having read quite a few negative posts about “extremist, out of touch, left wing, radical-socialist’ comments (perfectly valid views of course) I wonder if some of the posters could just give me some examples of these extremist Labour Party policies. Two or three will do. Just trying to see what posters think they are. I’d be grateful if the replies just answered the question rather than widening the debate. Thanks.

 

I've not called any extremist that I'm aware. They are just a bit too left for me. I agree big business should pay a fair share of tax, but how you get them to in a multinational world, you need external help. I wouldn't bring private companies back into public ownership. Especially on the back of Brexit where tax take is going to get absolutely crushed and welfare payments will no doubt increase. Other countries have superb public services better than many of our privately run organisations, and are state or part state owned. If we could set up better run companies that contributed to treasury coffers, I've no issue with that over time and done slowly. But the cost and management would be insane if they were done all at once at a time when we're pressured and facing such a huge shift.

The stance on Brexit. I disagree with and the politics of it have been naïve and petty. And I think it hints to me that I have a mistrust of Corbyn and McDonnell. And as elections, are based on local MPs being elected, there is the wider picture and politics is much more presidential in appearance.

50% rate of tax. I think that's too high personally, and a 45% band in addition would take a lot of money out of pockets and I think that would hit the consumer economy even more with the whammy of recession post Brexit and more protectionist attitudes.

And frankly, anything that emboldens unions and gives them power, I'm completely against. if we could rid the world of unions and fat cats who massively overpay beyond their talent... and cap footballers salaries to £1k a week while we're at it for an unskilled untrained part time workforce... all the better ;-)

There are plenty of things in the Labour manifesto I don't mind and even approve of. But I don't trust Corbyn and certainly not McDonnell and when you look at the potential cabinet members Labour would make up, its beyond frightening. I'll forever remember Richard Burgon trying to impress on a bbcqt audience that an owner of a microbusiness could take a year off for paternity leave to absolute derision.

As said before, I'll never vote for the tories, but at this time, neither can I vote for labour. Which leaves me in complete political limbo.

 

Lifelong Labour voter here - but for me, this is an example of an extremist view, or it certainly comes close to it in today’s generally centrist society:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-po...nnell-says-overthrowing-capitalism-is-his-job

 

McDonnell stating "every Tory should be challenged by direct action on the street wherever and whenever it's possible" paraphrased but I'm sure Jo Cox wouldn't approve GRHS.

Corbyn won't talk to TMay on the biggest issue the country has faced in 70 years but will talk to provisional IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah.

Not policy but certainly extreme views to most right minded individuals

 

How you can rid the World of Unions is an extremist view in itself. The Unions are the people in the workplace their unity is their power. This power is rarely used to its max nowadays. Lord knows I’ve suffered in the last 8 years or so with attacks on my Pensions, wages, Terms and Conditions, but these attacks would’ve been more savage had it not been for Union/s Until recently, employees have been priced out of Employment Tribunals and Unions have been a godsend. Collective bargaining makes for a fairer workplace. You talk about potential issues being frightening, I ‘m talking about actual ones that have affected us all. Unions are not the enemy, they are are democratically elected TAX-PAYING bodies, who members also pay taxes and have a right to be represented. Feking extremism indeed.

 

And there you have it from a “I’m not extremist “ but !!
I’ve just had a long running spat on another thread and he puts things out there then says it’s not what he meant and tbh I honestly think he thinks that .

 

Every direct experience I've had of a union has shown them to be self serving and disruptive to justify their existence and to justify the fees they receive. I'm sure some people will have had benefit from them. But I've found ACAS to be more effective and less divisive and vindictive.

Unfustified fat cats, unjustified unions.. get rid of each and have a fair workplace. Utopian, but possible in times to come if each side can be neutered.

 

Of course multinational giant companies should pay their way! 50% or 40%. Loopholes in the law should be revised and the judges should come down in them like a tonne of bricks. Ordinary people get 5 years, rich people? Slap on the wrist. It's these same tax dodgers that push the farcical lie that welfare is skinting the country. No, just.. no.

 

ok, seeing as we haven't left it as we said we were going to....

I'm not extremist at all. I'm highly centric and fair. My direct experience is unions suck the life out of business just as much as fat cats. I've seen dozens of incompetent people being sacked and rightly over time, hide behind a union to leech more money for themselves for just a month or two extra, That's not good is it? in whos interest is that? What value does that give other than remove money that could be invested in training, environment, business growth or reward? But hey, if you want to cling onto an outdated pointless organisation... a union is the place for you.

We didn't have a spat, we had a dialogue. One you morphed out of recognition, from one comment which was perfectly fair and reasoned and you are blind to because of your personal biases. But I'm not going to repeat it, clearly i'll just have to put you on ignore. Shame.

 

Who said that

 

I absolutely agree they should pay their fair share of tax. But 50% income tax is regressive. France is an ideal example where high income tax levels were introduced and the economy undershot as the bankers moved their staff to London to pay 40% instead. 50% of nothing, is nothing.

 

Rubbish. Of course there are some self-serving people in Unions and elsewhere in life and my experience of these are those that have used the Union to help them climb the management ladder. The continued attack on the Unions by this ******* Party are a disgrace. Workplace reps are continually denied facilities and time to represent their members. You do realise that when their is trouble at mill so to speak this is when Union reps have their work cut-out. No-one enjoys conflict and it’s generally management that cause all the problems. I’ve found ACAS to be a waste of time as well. Do you realise what a daunting prospect and experience it can be for ordinary joe or Josephine Bloggs in the workplace to start ACAS proceedings, not to mention the timescale.

 

The irony just oozes effortlessly out of you . Centric ? Fair ? You just can’t see it can you . I’m sure if every company didn’t have to engage with those nasty union men who protect their members the company’s would wash them with money and fair T&Cs .

 

Ballax to it all, it's Friday let's all get p1ssed.

 

Yes, I do, and I disagree with how the govt have made it much harder to be represented and to pay for the pleasure to try and dismiss it. The issue I have with unions is that they attack businesses. Businesses who are fair and doing their best. I've seen and been in many like that. Unions sow dissent and rumour mills and mistruths so much and it can hamstring a business. Over time us vs them become common and just a simple request or way to improve efficiency or output or service are blocked. Typically, that ends with management keen to rid the unreasonable blockers.

Any unfair dismissal, and illegal practices should be covered by law and supported and legal aid backing it up. But i'm sorry that I still have the same disdain for unions by and large as I do the likes of Phillip Green.

 

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Well, that’s not my experience, Unions spend most of the time defending than attacking. So you generalise in your experience and that’s that. Hmmmm, where are we seeing this then.

 

Amen to that

 

Its not a generalisation to quote from every direct experience you've encountered. It just happens your experiences are different to mine. Hence we have different views. That just seems logical and absolute common sense.

 

What I am saying is it is an extremist view to get rid of Unions, just because of your experiences. I’ve been a Union Rep on quite a few levels, and through the TU met Reps from many other Unions, and through networking and such, generally only ever sought to promote cohesion in the workplace. Disruption was never on our agenda.