Brexit - Labour to back 2nd referendum

According to the Government counsel in the recent Webster case, the PM knew that the referendum vote was flawed at the time of calling A50, and agreed that if the referendum wasn't advisory it would have been annulled due to the overspending on the Leave side and the allegations of Russian interference (or at least required a thorough investigation before proceeding). However, because it was advisory they are allowed to proceed and treat it like it wasn't advisory!

The only problem with a second referendum is that we have done precisely nothing to tackle "dark" advertising on social media. We could well have the same problems in 2-3 years time (illegal overspending, illegal or wrong advertising, etc).

 

Like Corbyn in the first referendum......

 

That's the way the world is going though, individual countries are too small to survive, they need to be part of a trading bloc.

I'd rather be part of the EU and have access to good trade deals than go cap-in-hand around the world begging for a seat at everyone else's table.

Out of the EU we'll be the global equivalent of a hobo.

 

Precisely... though no doubt we'll be told how many miles he took his grumpy cantankerous tepid message.

 

We can trade with the EU but we dont have to be part of the political union.

 

Ok, let me know when we have trade deals set up with EU member states that are as favourable or more favourable than the existing arrangements we currently enjoy.

 

Its possible to leave, allow free movement, be part of the single market and be part of the customs union.

 

Prior to us joining the EU I worked in Holland, Norway, Germany and France, and bought a house in the latter. I had no problem with banking, no problem getting work and residence permits etc. etc. The reason I voted to leave the EU was a simple one. I find the whole institution corrupt and undemocratic. Most of my French friends as welll as those in the UK feel the same as me, and also feel that joining the Euro and being a mere province of the EU from 2022, is not what they desire.

 

It is Democratic . MEPs are voted in and our Main political parties canvass on the policies they intend to pursue in the EU .
Trouble is people vote rabble rousers like Farage that do nothing to further us in EU but sit at table calling fellow Europeans like big spoiled kids .

 

It is not democratic. I did not vote for Junker. I did no vote for the commissioners, I did not vote for Kinnock to come away with £10 million. The MEPs have no power, they merely rubber stamp what the executive puts in front of them.

 

Did you vote for the chancellor of the exchequer?
Did you vote for the Home Secretary ?
No you didn’t they are appointed same as EU.
Juncker was voted into the EU parliament by his fellow countrymen .MEPs have power their vote .

 

If you are attempting to use the Lisbon treaty with your 2022 date, then you are just repeating lies. Please stop. Repeating repudiated lies are one of the reasons that the country is in such a mess.

 

Agree with that. I want to remain, but the most obvious route based on such a tight split vote was something akin to Norway. To make migration the heart of the exit deal is to me, simply pandering to the xenophobes. And they are the last sort of people who should be pandered to.

 

Interesting article by Denis McShane below.

" Up to a few days ago this line against a new referendum seemed to find favour in the inner circles of the party leadership. Len McCluskey, the Unite general secretary and the trade union leader closest to Corbyn, has never made a secret of his contempt for a new referendum.

So what has happened to produce this U-turn in favour of another vote? Step forward the nine Labour MPs who resigned from the party to form a new Independent Group. There is a tenth, Ian Austin, who is anti-Corbyn, but who supports Brexit and May’s Deal.

The shock waves those resignations caused should not be under-estimated. Equally significant was an opinion poll this week showing Labour’s vote slumping to just 23%. Another showed that 84% of people who had reached voting age since 2016 wanted to stay in Europe and 87% said they would oppose May’s deal in a referendum.

To stay in the same trench where Corbyn and the shadow cabinet have been crouching since Labour activists voted for a new referendum at the party conference last September – placing a second vote on some far-off horizon – was no longer tenable. So Corbyn finally moved out in the open this week with his second referendum announcement.

But quickly, the wheels have started wobbling. When his foreign affairs spokesman, Emily Thornberry, said Remain would be an option in another referendum, a senior Corbyn aide suggested she had “misspoke”. A significant number of Labour MPs have also said they will oppose support for a new public vote.

Unless, it has the support for a good number of Tory MPs, the Labour new referendum proposal will fail to win support in the Commons. This will allow Corbyn to wash his hands of responsibility by saying “I tried to win support for a new referendum but the Commons rejected it”.

Let us see if all of Labour’s shadow cabinet as they fan out to do media interviews and address party meetings show enthusiasm and energy in denouncing Brexit, and the flawed corrupted plebiscite of lies of June 2016. Corbyn’s announcement is a potential game-changer but only if he and Labour play a new game of support for Britain in Europe – something Corbyn has opposed since he joined the Labour party half a century ago"

 

I don't trust Corbyn one jot. And its precisely the route I think he's trying to go, just like his campaigning in the referendum. Lukewarm and ineffectual. But its McDonnell and Milne who are behind the Leninist push to rule from the rubble. The rubble will only come from a hard Brexit.

Verisimilitude. The illusion of truth.

 

Just seen this through twitter.... a Barnsley man gives his view on Brexit, warms the cockles and makes you proud of your hometown doesn't it just?

 

Typical middle aged bigot . Barnsley is full if them .

 

I don’t seem to agree with you much on the football front but I am with you on this