O/T but since we have a few days to draw breath before Blackpool game...

Are you sure?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

 

Remember the film "Independence Day"? The one where aliens who ruthlessly destroy planets by consuming their resources invade Earth? That's the human race that is, every continent has been ruthlessly degraded to the point now where the planet can't sustain us any more.

We're doomed Captain Mainwaring, doomed.

 

This is incredibly patronising.

 

?? Why? the post to which I responded made to an unsupported statement that was erroneous. I simply posted the source material to point that error out.

 

This made me laugh. (Language alert).

 

The follow-up is just as bad. Read it out loud to yourself. You sound like a right berk, pontificating away. Look at how Donny and Jay responded to the original. They actually gave answers, explaining things so someone reading the thread who was uninformed before might know what people were talking about. You just asked a question in a patronising manner, giving a link to Wikipedia, as if you were talking to a five year old. I know there's a difference between spoken and written English, but bloody hell.

 

Whilst I don't dispute the human race are speeding up a change in our climate somewhat, there are things way beyond our control such as the natural changes in climate that have always taken place, ice age events etc. Someone posted a timeline of temp changes earlier in the thread, take this somewhat with a pinch of salt, this stretches back many thousands of years whereas for scientific purposes temperatures have only been measured and recorded for the last 135 or so years, therefore there could have been some massive fluctuations in the data that are missed. Temperatures from way back are pure guesswork for that reason. We also have no control model from any other similar planet to say what a natural pattern of warming / cooling maybe should exist. I'd also point out that every single planet would differ anyway based on its position in the universe / proximity to other planets / stars or indeed any atmospheric makeup. So due to that, it is impossible for any scientist to make claim to what should be happening to global temperatures / climate, we simply do not possess the scientific knowledge or ability to map out even our own planets lifecycle correctly. Everything is pretty much guesswork.

Think quite a few years back, we were told that a massive hole had appeared in the Ozone layer surrounding our planet, I seem to remember them originally saying no way of reversing that damage. Now that hole is slowly closing.

Advances in technology especially around fuel sources and transport will be shared worldwide, hence those countries who have not gone through the industrial periods like for instance in the UK based round fossil fuels will do so using clean fuel sources.

Again I'm not saying humans are not playing a part in 'climate change' however I'm not sure it is on the levels suggested. Even the smartest scientists on the planet cannot give a 100% definitive answer on this, just as they say 'informed opinions'.

If we are causing this planet to warm, I would have thought one of the biggest reasons may be how humans have changed the natural landscape of the planet. Replacing massive areas of grassland / wooded areas with man made products such as thick blankets of concrete. Adding these extra man made blankets of insulation to the planet surely makes it harder for heat to escape the core etc, hence warming the surface heat and surrounding atmosphere.

I don't buy into the bonkers theory that certain gases cannot escape the atmosphere as surely that goes against some of the laws of physics. If over all these thousands of years gases that cannot escape the earths atmosphere and disperse into the vastness of the universe have been simply building up, where is the new space for these gases to be stored? Our atmosphere to my knowledge is not expanding outwards hence is not an infinite space, therefore all gases must escape into the wider universe. Without expansion in an infinite space, other required gases would be either forced out changing our atmosphere makeup completely (which no scientist seems to claim is happening) or the atmospheric pressure constantly rises due to the increase of mass due to these gases not being able to escape. What would happen then? Our planet just implode?

So my theory is that yes we play a tiny impact on climate change but nothing on the scale that is being claimed. We really have no real idea as what happens in the lifecycle of our evolving planet and solar system.

 

Blimey. You having a bad day? It's not as if the post was aimed at you. Why do you feel the need to defend someone more than capable of defending himself?

Also there is no need to get personal over what was an OP thrown out for general discussion rather than pontificating. Moreover I responded to what was a fairly abrasive post which itself did not provide any explanation as to why my post was incorrect and also seemed to imply I was some sort of half baked conspiracy theorist e.g. " I wouldn't be surprised to find the next article to be about the earth being flat or the Queen being a Jewish lizard".

Have a nice day.

 

Thanos?

Thanosification?

I'm not sure of the verbal extension of "to Thanos" It seems the only solution.

 

Did you ever watch Utopia on channel 4? It wasn't very popular but was very good. That dealt with a shadowy cabal who came up with a plan to combat overpopulation...

 

I do believe that nature as a way to, if you like " cull" the worlds pop by way of natural disasters in order to reduce the damage to the planet as well as the many diseases that cant be cured in order to pro long the earths life, just my opinion btw

 

Ok:

1). Gasses do escape the atmosphere - gravity weakens as you get higher, as does air pressure, but there is nothing to stop individual gas particles leaving the atmosphere if they have sufficient outbound velocity to beat gravity
2). The composition of the atmosphere is changing. The % of CO2, CH4 and other greenhouse gasses is increasing. These gasses are converted back by natural processes (e.g. plants convert CO2 to O2), but the rate they can do this is less than the rate of creation. Therefore, the composition of the atmosphere is slowly changing - although it is over 5,000 trillion tonnes so there is a lot to change.

BTW in the past, the CO2 concentration was higher, leading to higher levels of plant life than now - see the coal deposits...

 

I'll look it up - sure it's on You Tube. Thanks

 

By the way Palm trees are amazingly effiicient at locking carbon. something like 10 times more efficient than any other plant. They could be an important part of any solution......Only problem is Friends of the earth rightly point out its cultivation isn't great for the orangutan.

 

You seem to now a lot about this so I have a question.... I read somewhere that most of the mature boreal forests in the Northern hemisphere, as with 'mature forests' elsewhere, that some argue provide us with much of the oxygen are, in fact, carbon neutral due to the grow die cycle and as they rot they release the Carbon /CO2 they stored up back into the Earth and atmosphere to be used by plants for photosynthesis.
The same source argued that most of the oxygen % in our atmosphere results from the coal, oil and gas that was stored up over millennia releasing the oxygen but not recycling the CO2 as the organic matter became 'locked in' beneath the Earth surface. Only now when extracting the gas Oil and cola are we releasing that locked in CO2 back into the atmosphere.

Has that argument any validity since if it has then it would follow that planting trees etc. is of no help in stabilising the atmosphere regarding oxygen and CO2?

 

It was brilliant

 

Or the other millions of species that depend on other plants that the planet needs and humans need eg Bees .

 

Well - them as well. But bio diversity aside - if what you are looking for is a process to turn C02 into something we can then bury in abandoned coal mines to carbon lock it - you could do a lot worse than the palm tree.

 

That’s a sledgehammer to crack a nut and damages all around the nut.

 

That's what I was saying, that the gases do escape.