2nd Referendum

Same here, had a word with myself earlier, no more political posts from me either....

 

I don't think the Norwegian option is a goer to be honest, the Norwegian people have rejected EU membership in two referendums, but their Govt took them into the EEA ( without referendum) which entails acceptance of free movement and also Schengen, which does not seem to be a popular option in parliament as it is.

 

Thanks for that FR. I wasnt into politics back then. Busy chasing girls and playing football.
We certainly don't want to return to those days. Better the devil we already know.?

 

no doubt you will think this is ****** but this professor does not agree with you

https://brexitcentral.com/world-trade-deal-brexit-wto-terms-highly-advantageous/

Professor Patrick Minford is one of the UK’s leading macroeconomists and holds the chair of Applied Economics at Cardiff University. He has written extensively about the economics of the European Union and is the chair of Economists for Free Trade.

 

I suspect you could be right.
I for one would have more respect if they issued a joint party statement saying having looked in depth we strongly feel it is against the country’s best interests because ........ as a result we are not leaving.
With a commitment from all parties backing it

 

the best sustained growth the uk had was prior to the eu and the common market

 

And you castigated me yesterday for sharing a link that confirms an opinion already held!

That just backs up the belief that a deal will be easy and the EU will be falling over themselves to offer us a deal.

why not just have a customs union that matches EU terms? If that isn’t an option what do we think is better on WTO terms?

 

i'd be more than willing to have a customs union and to trade with our neighbours, what i dont want is a political union

basically what we were told was going to happen when we joined the common market.

 

Now that makes interesting viewing Dek. Notice the spike when we first joined in 73.
Be very interested to see the same graph plotted to 2018 and compare the mean to
the one you've posted.

 

While you are quoting Minford (who is widely discredited), why don't you reflect on his thoughts on manufacturing in the UK after leaving.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mps-react-after-vote-leave-11269819

In Parliamentary committee he admitted that his ideas would result in Manufacturing in the UK being wound down. A similar fate also befalls most categories of farming in the UK, with one surviving.

His thoughts for all the lost jobs were that people could be retrained in "Digital".

 

if his comments are right about the car industry,you've obviously already reflected on these, does this mean his comments and forecasts about the british economy being boosted by 135 billion every year if we leave are right also, maybe these need a little reflection too?

what is wierd is that he said this about the uk car industry in 2012, i assume that people in the car industry know what he said, yet Sunderland and the north east voted to leave

 

But if we are talking purely on acting on the 2016 referendum, then it is a goer, as are all other options rejected in Parliament through meaningful or indicative votes.

 

Apparently, he was using guestimated figures that were 14 years out of date and significantly over exaggerating the positive effects. There were also problems with his models dating back several years - it predicted the minimum wage would lead to millions of job losses..

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessrev...or-brexit-manage-to-defy-the-laws-of-gravity/

The long term affects of the kind of benefits reduction and wage disparity that he is promoting would have serious implications for Barnsley. Cutting back benefits to the poorer and stripping back the NHS are not popular, even if it is to get a better economy.

Strangely, Scunthorpe and Redcar both voted for Brexit Party last week even though they are losing their jobs in the steelworks as a direct result of Brexit...

 

I think you already know the answer to that one dek, I’m willing to hazard a rough guess 99% haven’t heard of him let alone read the research.

 

steelworkers lay a huge portion of the blame for the demise of their industry directly with the eu..all the steelworkers i know personally voted out

 

i'm not so sure pomp,those scenarios were made in front of the commons select committee so i would have thought that any area dependant of cars would have been aware of it.. but i'll be honest i'm only surmising.

when the coal industry was being discussed in similar fashion we were all aware of what was being said

 

Nothing to do with the Chinese dumping steel on the world market and the UK government refusing to let the EU raise tariffs to limit the effects on the British steel industry?

 

Thats got summat to do with it scoff,theres no denying that,( there were also 13 maybe 14 other eu member states which also blocked the eu directive), but this issue around climate change etc and its cost to business has a lot to do with it,

its all well and good basically taxing companies because they are heavy on energy but those companies will eventually either go tits up or move to where they wont have to overcome such burdens

regardless of what the likes of caz lucas says you cannot turn all heavy industry into their ideal world without any emissions.