Corbyn - A Serious Question

And if your post had been “so everyone should cow tail to islam, why ? “ you’d have been jumped all over, says all I need to know about your prejudices mi owd. I’ll remain tight lipped about your comparisons with labour rallies and those held by that other infamous socialist workers party, both it seems are rife with antisemites

 

Pretty much agreed with your last post but this one is in my opinion crazy. The very best deal available right now is the one we already have as EU members with a voice in the EU Council.

 

Quandary innit. I've reached the point where I believe Labour need to adopt an unashamed internationalist approach rather than trying to straddle both sets of EU referendum voters, but anyone who claims this is a simple decision is ignoring the complexity of the situation.

I think you underestimate beyond the EU issue where the support lies for the more radical decisions needed to create a fairer society. It is certainly not exclusively from dyed in the wool socialists. Its young, openminded, successful professionals that are driving the principles that underpin Corbynism.

 

It's you that's making it about religion, not me? I'm criticizing Israel for their treatment of palestinians? As for the rallies I have never heard anyone on any platform go on about jewish people, why would they? Every group in every society have their idiots, Labour is made out to be worse than anyone but I suggest the right wing media is to blame for that.

 

I agree on the internationalist approach. Always have done, and unashamedly so.

As far as i'm concerned, Brexit is at the heart of everything. Fail to get the least damaging outcome and you'll have no money or goodwill to do anything positive elsewhere. Maybe even worse, a surge of nebulous (and some very unnecessary) public spending commitments at the time of global and national uncertainty would be catastrophic.

 

‘Cow tail’? Genuinely not heard that expression before. Is it a thing?

 

thats the point while ever we've got "stick it up your ring we aint doing that, we're off" then we can get a deal that suits us but theres no point in going to a gun fight only armed with a knife

 

But to carry on as we are IS catastrophic. Labour are offering a new way, people have said for years how they want a guy in charge who is not in it for him or herself, you have one, hence the torrent of abuse from all interested parties to keep the status quo.

 

I think it is an empty threat though, i believe it will cause more damage to us that the other 27 collectively. I am not the only one with this viewpoint.

 

I have always maintained 'Threat of a No Deal' has and always has been the singe biggest negotiation lever we have.

Even if we internally have no intention of leaving with no deal, when parliament made the stupid decision to try and take it off the table, it seriously weakened our hand. Biggest gaff of all by parliament. No sensible business person would do the same in a negotiation.

Another thing is that our ideal deal should never have been in the public domain, again it instantly gave the EU an advantage. We should have gone in from day 1 and asked for something extremely weighted in our favour and expect to get it watered down to what really would be our ideal exit terms. What we did was announce our so called red lines and needs from day 1, then let the EU water that down to the half baked deal the PM ended up with.

It's a bit like Barnsley saying we like that player and are prepared to pay up to £1 million quid for him, then putting in an offer for £500k and expecting them to accept. Then we end up paying £1.5m..

 

The thing is... this is just a withdrawal agreement. This is the very very easy bit.

Its been badged as a deal, and really it's nothing of the sort.

You can well imagine the EU head scratching when both parties supposedly want to protect the rights of EU people already residing in UK and vice versa, ensure no return of a hard border in NI and try not to aggravate anything that could lead to years gone by and to agree a fair compromise on financial commitments within a membership period.

 

so long as the eu negotiaters dont think that then we're game on for a good deal. for me we're missing something, why are the eu ( and a lot of our own mp's )making it so difficult for us to leave, business will find away around any tariff 'cos money talks, if pedro in madrid is getting grade A bottles from albert at redferns at 30p i bet he's not going to buy C grade ones at 40p a go from jean paul in lyons because someone in luxembourg is getting a tickle and tells him to. no deal has got to be an option, albeit a final one but an option just the same certain polatitions are trying to trip brexit, the will of the people ( for the many not the few 52-48). WHY you got to ask yourself. i seem to have read in the odd book somewhere that we did alright for a couple of thousand years as opposed to the 45 we've had in common market/eec/eu.

 

Why stop there? We showed them dinosaurs who was boss dint we?

 

I don't see what labour are offering. Its incoherent, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. A "jobs first Brexit"... what on earth is that? The companies I work with have ALL (yes, all) outlined minimum job cuts of 10-15% and a no deal Brexit as high as 30%. That's devastating, and that's a big range of big employers in many sectors. That's not made up or a guess, that's strategically agreed actions signed off at board level of companies in the FTSE 100, FTSE 250 and others privately owned. That trickles down the supply chain, so smaller businesses will have to cut jobs too. Price more keenly, maybe even taking no profit to tread water and keep active, and the combination of those two actions means economic contraction and a shockwave on consumer confidence.

So the notion that jobs can be protected from Brexit and then everything in sight gets privatised, frankly, is lunacy.

 

I'd love to sell a house to those stupid cnts on Radio 4 especially that Evan Davies.

He's constantly rattling on about how the EU have said this and that and how they're not going to move.


ITS A NEGOTIATION YOU F ING IDIOT. Of course they've said their not going to change the withdrawal agreement - hardly a negotiation if they say "of course we'll throw Ireland under the bus" which we all know the French are quite happy to do. Just look at the Mercursor trade deal... Very popular in Ireland that one.

And the BBC's not biased in any way shape or form.

 

Markets have fundamentally changed and its a global economy. Just look around and ask yourself where goods, materials and services came from 2 generation ago and where they come from today.

I also think its utterly criminal if an illegal referendum result that would have been unlawful if it had been binding allows the most severe exit from the EU when the result was so marginal.

 

It’s more dangerous to have no deal on the table to our economy and it being deliberately or accidentally implemented than to not have it in negotiations . The EU are not in it to punish us as the right wing would have you believe but to get the terms that doesn’t harm the 27 other countries which if we were one of them and someone else were leaving then we’d expect the same from the negotiators .

 

The EU aren’t making it hard to leave they are implementing measures of which we were part and voted for in past treaties .
It’s not a buisness negotiating where by everything’s on the table it’s unravelling in a fair way the things we voted to implement , the EU aren’t the bad guys here we are .

 

they won’t listen to a reasoned argument like that! It’s like threatening to withhold the 39m divorce bill and then thinking the EU will be falling over themselves to do us a favour because the Germans sell cars. Bonkers...

 

Couldn't disagree more. Macron clearely stated that the UK should be punished.

And yes it is a business negotiation, a huge one. No way on earth should no deal be taken out of the equation.