No deal won’t be allowed to happen

You really don't do yourself any favours, mate.

 

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To be fair JD... I think that probably illustrates the point...It would hardly be a hot topic when virtually every elected politician told us at every opportunity that it was a binding...one off...once in a generation...the decision is yours, we will act on that decision etc. The official Remain campaign put out leaflets that said " this is a once in a lifetime vote"...Labour Party leaflets said " if Britain votes to Leave there is no going back" The official govt leaflet said " this is your decision...the Govt will implement what you decide"

Without labouring the point I could produce quotes from virtually every high profile politician in the Remain camp that reiterated that message on national tv and radio debates...almost without exception they told us it was binding and irreversible.

 

But conversely the remain side could produce quotes saying this will cost us, both individually and as a country but that’s just rubbished as project fear, my point is whichever side you are on you can’t pick and choose the quotes that you like. Confirmation bias has been one of the worst aspects of this whole sh1tshow.

 

I bet you can't find any that use the word binding.

What they said, and what people chose to hear are not always the same thing.

They may have gone as far as to say they would treat it as binding - but again, not at all the same thing. They can't promise something that's both illegal and unconstitutional.

 

OK
Your analogy was *****.

It's not that kind of business relationship.

I'll return to my simplistic one; consider our membership of the EU our shops franchise costs. If we decide to leave the premises and refuse to pay the rent and other costs owed - then they could take the legal route to get that money from us, but what we haven't got is any access to the customers we had whilst we were in the shop or the supply chain. Being in the shop is what kept us in that relationship with the people who bought our goods and who sold us goods.

We are contemplating giving up the business to 'save' the cost of the rent despite the fact we're making a healthy profit.

 

I don't disagree to a point, but I was responding to those who suggested the electorate were well are that it was advisory...clearly few on here knew before Dominic Grieve's statement after the vote....only an odd unanswered post...not a thread as far as I can see, and the leaflets and debates televised at the time were all clear it was considered binding.... virtually to a participant they told us so.

 

Anna Soubry, a Remain campaign and People's Vote stalwart was not afraid to use 'binding'....she said

“We voted for the Referendum Act without understanding the consequences of a leave vote. We told people it was binding, but now we don’t know, and it’s quite concerning that none of these things were explored before parliament decided,”

Keir Starmer said"
Yes, technically the referendum is not legally binding. But the result was not technical; it was deeply political, and politically the notion that the referendum was merely a consultation exercise to inform Parliament holds no water.
When I was imploring people up and down the country to vote in the referendum and to vote to remain, I told them that their vote really mattered and that a decision was going to be made. I was not inviting them to express a view.
Although we are fiercely internationalist and fiercely pro-European, we in the Labour party are, above all, democrats."

 

Have you got a quote confirming she said it before the vote, rather than a quote where she claimed to have said it, or indeed a quote where someone is 'quoting' her?

 

No it was a quote after the event, November 2016...but she is clearly admitting they presented it as binding.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/e...ubry-i-only-backed-eu-referendum-vote-because

 

I hope it is a no deal

 

It is wholly wrong to sustain an argument which seeks to hold that the outcome of the vote was not meant to be implemented.

Why did we have a vote?

Furthermore, whether we like it or not, if we vote "out" then it must include the risk that we might not agree upon the terms of how we leave.

Because it always takes both sides to agree.

Therefore, if we vote to leave, and the EU say "right, you're leaving, but we're not going to agree upon anything acceptable to you that helps you leave", then you'll end up leaving without a deal.

That is the (sad) but inevitable conclusion of the calling of a referendum that should not have been called.

But then the EU should not have been so stupid so as to give Cameron sod all when he went to try and get them to help him out.

Anyway, I'm at the end of it all a democrat. And I know it when I see democracy being denied.

 

Serious question -

Why? What benefit do you believe a no deal Brexit will bring? im talking real benefits.

 

Then I hope you, personally, suffer more than most from the economic s.h.itstorm that will follow. Come back and discuss it then, if you can still afford t’internet.

 

To stop the Tory party imploding and leaking voters to UKIP. This whole made up enemy of the EU is just a charade as I’m sure you already know.

 

He’s in the army. I dont need to expand further!

 

Protecting us?!?! F.u.ck me, we’re doomed

 

Politically incorrect, but correct.

 

You must hate this country then.

 

They are not the enemy and nobody thinks they are as I'm sure you know.