No deal won’t be allowed to happen

Which EU rules and laws do you really dislike mate? most seem to me to be making things better but which ones don’t you like?

 

Project Fear!!!!!

 

Amazing how project fear is echoed in a new Government report looking at a no deal scenario. It's looking like people are going to be right to be afraid...hold ups, food shortages, price increases, medicine shortages etc. I'll say again, this is the governments OWN report.

 

Great find Orsenk,
You've highlighted comments from a long term opponent of Brexit...tied to Obama and The Clintons, Goldman Sachs, The Bilderberg group....you name it. Whilst he may or may not be correct, his previous track record suggests the reasons behind his comments may be biased towards those who pay him the most money.
Apologies in quoting from his Wiki page, but if it is correct he is one of the dodgiest geezers on the planet...he makes even Trump look like Snow White, which I never thought was possible.
He nailed his colours to the mast quite early..."
In April 2016, he was one of eight former Treasury secretaries who called on the United Kingdom to remain a member of the European Union ahead of the June 2016 Referendum.[81]
Summers referred to the United Kingdom's "Brexit" vote on June 23, 2016 - which concluded in favor of leaving the European Union - as the "worst self-inflicted policy wound that a country has done since the Second World War". However, Summers cautioned that the result was a "wake up call for elites everywhere" and called for "responsible nationalism" in response to simmering public sentiment.[82]
Some of his highlights...
On April 3, 2009 Summers came under renewed criticism after it was disclosed that he was paid millions of dollars the previous year by companies which he now had influence over as a public servant. He earned $5 million from the hedge fund D. E. Shaw, and collected $2.7 million in speaking fees from Wall Street companies that received government bailoutmoney.[75]
According to the Wall Street Journal, Summers called Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) asking him to remove caps on executive pay at firms that have received stimulus money, including Citigroup.[74]
He is a former member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg Group.[63

On October 19, 2006, Summers was hired as a part-time managing director of the New York-based hedge fund D. E. Shaw & Co. for which he received $5 million in salary and other compensation over a 16-month period.[59] At the same time Summers earned $2.8 million in speaking fees from major financial institutions,[60][61] including Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers.[62] Upon being nominated Treasury Secretary by President Clinton in 1999, Summers listed assets of about $900,000 and debts, including a mortgage, of $500,000.[61] By the time he returned in 2009 to serve in the Obama administration, he reported a net worth between $17 million and $39 million.[61

 

I was being sarcastic, shenk. It’s going to be a ********* disaster.

 

I know you were and it will be

 

Seems like you are maybe stating he had a net gain to be made from all this. I think we we need to talk about Arron banks and Dominic Cummins

 

It's not so much the plethora of individual rules, most of which are reasonable...but to take one.
I would say state intervention rules are a breach of national sovereignty, its been widely discussed on here in the past, with both sides of the coin being discussed, but Corbyn's dream (much of which I subscribe to) of nationalising some of our Railways and utilities is not possible, certainly to the extent he wants.
Vince Cable let the cat out of the bag recently, when he said on Andrew Marr in a discussion ironically with Farage that (I'm paraphrasing) nationalisation wasn't a problem...of course it can be done...Farage replied that it could only be done with EU permission...Vince said...well yes... but they wouldn't refuse.
I think the likelihood of the EU agreeing to wholesale state acquisition of our utilities is virtually nil, when so many of them are currently owned by EU companies, some of them belonging to EU governments.

Who owns Britain’s trains

Rail
Railway infrastructure—things like the tracks, signals, level crossings, bridges, and tunnels—is run by Network Rail, which describes itself as a “public company, answerable to Government”. Trains, most smaller stations, and routes are split into franchises run by different companies. Around a dozen of the franchise holders are linked to governments in other countries.

A German company, Deutsche Bahn, runs several UK rail franchises—Arriva Trains Wales, Chiltern Railways, CrossCountry, Grand Central, and Northern. The German government is Deutsche Bahn’s majority shareholder.

Rail travel in France is run by a state-operated rail company, SNCF. SNCF is also the majority shareholder in a French private transport firm called Keolis which in turn jointly runs railway company Govia with the UK Go-Ahead Group. Govia operates UK franchises: Thameslink, Southern, South Eastern, Great Northern, and Gatwick Express.

Greater Anglia, Stansted Express and Scotrail are all operated by Abellio. Abellio is run by Netherlands Rail whose only shareholder is the Dutch government.

Abellio has partnerships with other businesses to run rail franchises. Along with the Japanese companies Mitsui & Co. and East Japan Railway it runs London Northwestern and West Midlands Rail. Abellio also runs Merseyrail with UK-based Serco.

The c2c franchise is operated by Trenitalia. Trenitalia is part of the FS Italiane Groupwhich is owned by the Italian government.

 

I certainly can't find anything to disagree with on that comment...obviously I am not endorsing either, but Mr Summers seems to be in a completely different league, and needs to be viewed as such.

Donations to Harvard from Jeffrey EpsteinEdit
An article in the Harvard Crimson in 2003, during Summers's tenure as president, detailed a reportedly "special connection" between Summers and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.[51]Epstein pledged to donate at least $25 million to Harvard during Summers's tenure to endow Harvard's Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, and Epstein was given an office at Harvard for his personal use.[52][53] Epstein otherwise had no formal connection to Harvard.[51]Summers's ties to Epstein reportedly began "a number of years...before Summers became Harvard’s president and even before he was the Secretary of the Treasury."[51] A charity funded by Epstein also donated to the production of a PBS show hosted by Summers's wife

 

That is not possible...it's apparently clear in Article 50 that withdrawal agreement and future relationship talks take place in tandem...the EU negotiators ignored that rule, and for some reason May never insisted on it.

 

You do realise that most of our railways are state owned - by other states.
It’s not the EU’s fault that the German government can not only own their railways, but can then buy a stake in ours. It’s our government that doesn’t just allow this but encourages it.

The EU have no desire or reason to stop the UK govt taking back our railways; it’s a political myth to suggest otherwise.

 

I think you may have missed the post I made above that showed Foreign ownership of our Railways in detail.
But if not, do you really think that the countries named above are really going to agree to losing their investments?
As Cable admitted it can be done only with their agreement.

 

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They don’t have to agree to anything.
Simple fact is that the franchises have end dates and when they end the only thing stopping the government awarding themselves the franchise is the government itself.

Which brings us to the same point as ever - people blame the EU or ‘foreigners’ for things the UK government has total control over.

 

Could not agree more!

 

They absolutely would have to agree....so unfortunately that can't happen....Rail franchises last for a minimum of seven years...some longer, currently the last franchise will end in the 2030's that's not much use to Corbyn unless he is around for three consecutive terms as PM.

As to your comment about 'foreigners, those of us who wish to see railways and utilities brought back into public ownership, are against their private ownership...whether that is foreign or not.

 

There's an EU railways act which there's been much discussion about as to whether it promotes or regulates foreign ownership of state run railways and to what degree. I've read numerous articles and it is somewhat unclear but looks like privatisation of the NHS, ie its a long term goal.

 

You wouldn’t... you’d just want to throw some more Goldman Sachs sponsored counter debate and I can’t be bothered. We’re at a point where neither side will agree. And therefore in a place where neither side wants to be...

 

In political terms, we haven’t played Wednesday yet....

 

In political terms, we haven’t played Wednesday yet....