Corbyn and a 'No Confidence' motion

Exactly right sadbrewer.

The UK needs the threat of no deal. It’s the only way to scare enough votes from the commons or incent the EU to screw over Ireland.

The former rules based order is on pause.

 

Just pure speculation if you like scaremongering again.

NHS is simply not on the table for a trade deal, unless it's under a deal to supply us with cheaper high quality equipment, then who would have a problem with saving the NHS money for treatment?

I've not seen anything credible that says we are heading to such close alignment with the US than the usual remainer MP's hellbent on saying anything to stop any form of Brexit peddle out but then back down when asked for specifics.

If this attempted coup is allowed to succeed with a stitch up again from John Bercow then it spells the end of our democratic process and the EU will have gotten their way in forcing us to remain.. Roll on federal Europe and chaos on the streets of Britain. I'm certainly not on that scale of action but can see it coming.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that...if the EU compromise, a deal will almost certainly then come into play that gives time to sort out the free trade agreement that Ireland's EU Commissioner Mairead McGuinness said on Question Time is the answer....that is not throwing Ireland under the bus.
However if the EU continue to play hardball, no deal will result, in which case the backstop just doesn't happen...The EU will require the ROI to enforce a border....not the UK.

 

But that what you refer to as the deal is not the deal.. It is the withdrawal agreement, settlement etc.

Our future relationship hasn't been agreed. SO those blocking it are doing so because they never accepted that remain lost the referendum. Nothing else.

 

Personally I think we should sack Johnson, appoint Ben Stokes as PM along with Brad Potts as Brexit Secretary, and let them get on with it.

 

“If the EU compromise” I keep reading this line. Why should they give up the 4 pillars of membership because we’ve failed. How many days of the 30 has Dominic Cummins got left to think of something... before he blames the EU.

Of course it’s throwing Ireland under the bus, the GFA depends on it.

Why not have a free trade agreement now? Just roll over the current rules? Because some people didn’t like immigrants that’s why. If you want free trade accept free movement of people.

 

I'm one of the minority who are not against the deal...in many ways it is extremely close to delivering Keir Stranger's six tests...bearing in mind it is only the Withdrawal Agreement and that the future arrangements are then up for discussion.
The ERG are against it because it's not hard enough for them, the Lib Dems,Greens and Scot Nats will never vote in favour because in results in Withdrawal.
For those who voted Remain but accept leaving, May's deal was as soft as it gets...as I mentioned in the earlier post Johnson only needs to find 29 votes for it to pass...if Stephen Kinnock is correct that 50 Labour MP's are now prepared to back it, it might go through.

 

Simply because the EU refused to discuss the future relationship from moment one...which is actually against the rules of Article 50.

 

That’s pretty handy for those who drew up some red lines

 

Irony alive & well in tarn......

 

Give me America every time . Look back at our recent history they were their when we needed them . Trump is not a politician ,but is doing what he said in his election .
You can’t have it both ways , O’ to have politicians doing what they say . Maybe we have
In Mr Boris Johnson whom I did not support for PM . I am beginning to change my mind

 

You are of course aware that if we no deal WTO will make us have a hard border with Ireland or no tariffs on anything...

 

Out of interest, why do you think the eu will be forever pal? Do you think that is it for countries leaving?

 

Can someone please explain to me...

How we stop free movement of goods and people into the UK without a hard border?

And how, given that we signed to uphold the Good Friday Agreement, it becomes the EU's fault that we cant come up with an alternative to chucking the peace process in Northern Ireland into the fire?

 

Be that as it may (No pun intended)...the EU flouted it's own rule and for whatever reason May didn't insist....it could have saved a lot of trouble now.

 

Not everyone in Ireland has bought into Leo Varadkars view of things...bear in mind that the border issue only came to be the problem it is now in mid 2017 when Varadkar took over from Enda Kenny, a Taioseach who appeared to be quite relaxed about the issue.

An article in the Irish Independent.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/...d-leo-and-simons-backstop-bluff-38351866.html

 

SB everyone in Ireland that I know of is of the same opinion and you haven't answered the question.
How do you prevent free movement without a hard border?
The problem is nothing to do with Ireland.
Either you have a hard border to stop all the undesirables the brexit voters want kept out or you don't.
If you don't and you stop them by putting a border at mainland UK you're telling the North they're really no longer part of the UK.
So you want brexit to suit all the foreigners out brigade that's your option.
Ireland is doing nothing more than the UK should be doing.

 

The CEO of NEXT said over the weekend that unless you go into a negotiation with the ability to walk away then you are not negotiating, you are pleading. Oh, for some of our politicians to have an ounce of commercial acumen. The manoeuvring to block no deal is doing immense harm to our ability to get a deal because the EU can just sit back and watch our politicians fighting like cats in a sack and are still confident that we will never actually leave with no deal because parliament won't allow it. As soon as we had a United front on the issue they would start talking.

The reason why the current deal didn't go through is because the backstop leaves the EU with no incentive to agree alternative arrangements for the border in the event of not reaching a trade agreement and with having no ability to do anything about it. The point is that if they don't agree now any other way of doing it, why would they agree any other way of doing it in the future when the transitional period comes to an end. It would lock us in forever. I would rather cancel the whole thing than sign up to May's deal.

 

It's difficult to say tbh...most of the 27 are net benefactors who are being funded by the EU...so it's unlikely they'll want out while they are receiving the cash...of the others I would say if they have adopted the Euro Currency it's nigh on impossible.

 

The irony of people who voted leave because they wanted to be separated from the EU and it’s freedom of movement who when faced with the difficult job of making the simple part happen (you can’t restrict movement without a border) shrug their shoulders and pretend it’s not our problem...

If you voted to leave; get your act together and sort out the flipping mess you’ve created. Stop blaming everyone else and passing the buck. Taking back control means you actually have to take responsibility for your decisions and follow them through.