Sorry for another political thread (*not sorry), but Boris's prorogation has been declared UNLAWFUL!

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  1. Micky Finn

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    Court in Edinburgh, now goes to Supreme Court
     
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    Should have issued a warrant without bail for the Toff Tory T.wat and chuck him in Barlinnie
     
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    Get back in the house you lot!
     
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    Surely that would just bring back memories of his Eton school days
     
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    Will they appeal to the European Court ? ;)
     
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    This could have serious consequences for Boris/Reese-Mogg,
    If either side are using tricks of the trade although frustrating is fair enough but if either side deliberately break the law they should face the consequences .
     
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    Misleading the Queen won't go down well...... Off with his head.
     
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    Now this one is interesting. The decider goes to the UK Supreme Court, commencing next Tuesday. My money would be on the Supreme Court reversing the Court of Session's decision. The prorogation of Parliament is not something for which the rules are prescribed by statute. I therefore think it is open to the prime minister of the day to initiate the prorogation within the scope of the royal prerogative, no matter how dishonourable his motives are.
     
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    SNP-appointed judges were never going to do anything else, it will be overturned in the supreme court.
     
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    Plenty of learned minds suggesting otherwise, but fingers crossed. At the very least, that lying,duplicitous cu.nt Johnson gets to squirm for a few days. Always a silver lining...
     
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    This ruling is that it was the PM's advice to the Queen on prorogation is unlawful.

    That does not (yet) change the prorogation itself. Though of course will add to pressure
     
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    Yes - the Guardian is now citing the FT's legal commentator David Allan Green (didn't he use to be DPP?) as stating that the Scottish courts' approach to constitutional matters is very different to that which applies in the English courts. Green puts the chances of the Scottish judgement being upheld in the Supreme Court next week as zero. Pity!
     
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    Interesting. I've seen on social media that there's an argument for the prorogation to be illegal under Scottish law but not English. Presumably the Supreme Court will look at it again through English law and so overturn the decision, but that puts us in quite the constitutional pickle (it is, after all, a British parliament). Or as a British institution, can the SC deal with both systems?
     
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    The argument which the Scottish judges accepted is that the unlawfulness of the advice to HM renders the subsequent action of prorogation itself unlawful. It will be overturned next week though.
     
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    Most probably yes, I personally don't think it makes much difference anyway. Things only progressed this week because they knew it was last chance. I fear a extension will just lead to further uncertainty, and even a election may just lead us to another hung parliament.
     
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    I'm thinking now that he will take the easiest course, which will involve coming back with some sort of deal - any deal - even May v.2. It might not be perfect for him but he gets to say "I took you out by 31st Oct" and tells the Brexit Party to foxtrot Oscar.
     
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    Aw you bloody killjoys.....enjoy it while it lasts.
     
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    Good luck getting that through the HoC without a confirmatory referendum attached!!
     
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    He can only deal down from May’s deal as the EU have said owing to the Tory red lines that is the only deal they have to offer.
    If he comes back with a deal hopefully it triggers an election before it’s accepted and the Brexit party chips there majorities in marginals .
    The DUP will lose a few seats imo but then again are the other loyalist any different?
    Unless a party has an overwhelming majority or something like May threw away imo it will go on for a long time yet .
    A people’s vote started this and a peoples vote will end it imo .
     
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    Does he have the majority for that? Even if he does, the Brexit Party (which has been whipped into a frenzy partly due to Johnson's actions) would claim it's not proper Brexit and grab support he needs at the next election, potentially splitting the vote and letting Labour in.

    I'm sure they've got something up their sleeves, but I can't for the life of me work out what it might be.
     
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