I assume we're putting all our efforts in to convincing Nathan Jones to take the job

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  1. tingleytyke

    tingleytyke Well-Known Member

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    The job will probably be the same terms as last time we were here. Save us and if you can’t you will be sacked. A la Jose.
     
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    We've gambled with a load of work in progress kids so it would be reckless to gamble on a likewise manager
     
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    Hicksy Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Absolutely should be our first choice
     
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    Simon De Montforte Well-Known Member

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    Has a decent record as a manager though i.e getting QPR and Blackpool promoted, Bristol Rovers into the play offs, saving Millwall from relegation.
     
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    He also relegated Leicester to the third tier for the only time in their history. You can cut it whichever way you like - good here, bad there. He's an utter bell end, though, and for that reason I'd not want him anywhere near us.

    EDIT: I was just looking at his wiki, and I'd forgotten he took Palace up too. But still... nooooooooooooooooo.
     
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    Cheap continental coach am guessing. Shearings maybe.
     
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    Not being funny but I don’t think it matters who is appointed. They are coming to a Club with the weirdest football ‘philosophy ‘ i’ve seen in 50 years. Even if there is some short term success like...oh I don’t know...winning a game, the longer term offers no chance, or hope, of success.

    The Board need to either:

    A) change their philosophy. Or
    B) leave.

    I hope they go for A) but evidence suggests otherwise.
     
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    dodgey defence Well-Known Member

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    QUOTE="Loko the Tyke, post: 2379074, member: 6787"]Interesting how people have different views on things. If we appointed Holloway, I think that'd be me done. Serial underachiever since the Blackpool days and spouts absolute nonsense on a regular basis.


    I honestly don't know anymore. The reason I'm pinning my hopes on him is that at least he fits the model of being a young coach, playing attacking football.

    Saying that, we're repeating mistakes recently. So an unknown foreign coach to get us relegated for the second time in three seasons probably fits the bill.[/QUOTE]
    Very unlikely that we'll get a serial overachiever unless there's someone in the Munich Sunday league with a bit of a reputation :D
     
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    So far Morais won more games than CS and AM combined in the Championship, However, This squad? Unpredictable isn't the word.

    I agree with everyone else. Unless this board gives them money for the squad, It's going to be a foreigner or ex-Barnsley player that's looking for work will be here (or a friend of Conway or even Conway).
     
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    If Nathan Jones has any sense of his own well-being he will take the Stoke pay-off and chill until taking a job for the start of next season. He will be able to consider the options and legally approach players who he might want to recruit for his new team. I thought that the guy looked under huge pressure in his recent days at Stoke. He didn't look as though he had slept well for days and you could read the stress he was under. Can you imagine the interview for any prospective manager? They have only got to ask the board what plans they have to recruit two/three experienced players in January to help the youngsters out and that will be end of interview. I am increasingly a Redfearn fan, as the only one for whom the club means enough to be sure that he would give it one hundred and fifty per cent, as well as raising the morale instantly. Of the others on the list, I can only see more of the same for the rest of the season. Would an experienced manager consider a contract just until the end of the season? That might bring Pulis and the like into play, but an you see the board being that pragmatic?
     
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    I'd go Pullis with a big bonus to keep us up but can't see it happening, if not maybe Redfearn instead of a foreigner.
     
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    I can't imagine he fits our model Ben, genuinely. Like you I'd take him tomorrow but surely any 'manager' that comes in will seek assurances of input & accountability and I don't think we can or will offer that.

    It'll be someone we've never heard of. All facts/trends/history point to it.
     
  13. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I'm trying to be hopeful and wishing the penny might have dropped. He fits the model in terms of age, potential, attacking play.

    Whilst our model does appear to take control and accountability away from the 'manager', I'm not sure it's as vastly different to other clubs as we all think. It just gets called out when the recruitment goes wrong. Our differing factor to others is this almost point blank refusal to sign anyone with experience, but even with that I question who we could get/afford to fit the mould.

    But then I hear we turned down Matty James on a season long loan. I give up trying to work it out.
     
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    Doesn't surprise me.

    I think we're in danger of having anyone with any reputation in this country thinking we can't be touched with a barge poll. I look back at Rotherham appointing Warnock & giving him full control and he keeps them up with loans & free transfers.

    Think we'd do that?
     
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    Pullis
     
  16. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Not a chance. But look where Rotherham are now? Granted that's where we'll be next season, but it never felt like they had a plan. What I do like about these owners (and there's plenty I don't like) is that there is a strategy and a model, and I feel like it could work. But not without flexibility and not without at least signing more 23/24 year olds that have played football for a few years, than the 20/21 year olds that have one full season behind them.
     
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    We have to do things differently to compete - but that includes us making good, rational decisions & pragmatic when needed.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    We have enough good spells in games (for more than we were having the last time we were relegated from this league) that I'm convinced two or three better, Championship ready players would see us having a very different conversation now.

    The rational decisions need to include understanding that paying a couple of players £10k a week for a couple of seasons (£4 million investment assuming no transfer fees) could enhance the value of these players with resale value. That's what infuriates me. I buy in to the strategy, model, whatever you call it, but successful businessmen can't do that maths on what that experience would do to the whole group - even if there isn't any resale value at the end of it.

    And I'm not up for signing players ending their careers and in their mid to late 30's. Just those who've played the game.
     
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    Interestingly if you look at Preston they have Ben Davies on mega money, Nugent on £20k they rest are reported to be quite a bit below £10k, which suggests you can incorporate a few bigger earners into a squad.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    It’s such a difficult one when you don’t know what salaries people are on, what the wage structure is, bonuses, etc.

    I’m sure players must have been out there with experience. But then I look at the players we’ve let go and the relative inexperience they’ve had at Championship level and you’re talking crazy money. A player with 200 Championship games under his belt is probably asking for £15k plus, unless they’ve been out in the cold for two years.

    Similarly, as soon as we move in to that £1 million plus price bracket I bet we’re talking £6-8k a week minimum with bonuses and assurances on top. I honestly think we’ve heavily invested this Summer in transfer fees and wages, we’ve just done a really bad job of it in the short term.
     

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