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Got to be honest and say I find the 70% difficult. If you take Barnsley the Official figures show them in top 20 highest voting to leave with 45k more voting to leave than to remain, Doncaster 58k more and Rotherham 49k more all these were at around 60%. Sheffield with only 6k more was only 2% in favour to leave.
I admit none of these are broken down to parties.

 

None of that’s relevant; nationally the figure is 48% voting remain, so you can’t pick outliers and make assumptions. the reason the Labour / Leave areas are such a big story is because we’re outliers. What was predictable was Labour metropolitan areas voting Remain and rural Tory areas voting Leave.

we all know that a Tory is much more likely to be a brexiteer than a labour voter, Tory media is also biased anti EU whilst lefty press is pro EU.

You’re struggling to believe the figures based purely on the natural tendency to see yourself as ‘normal’ (we all do it).

back to my original point; even if the split was 50:50 (it isn’t ) Labour backing Leave would have disenfranchised 50% of their supporters.

 

I’m not struggling to believe the figures... I flatly don’t believe them because they aren’t true.

You’re quoting polls from a time when similar polls said that remain had won by quite a bit.... you are basically taking a small sample and making massive assumptions to fit.

So you claim if the split was 50:50 that backing leave would disenfranchise 50% of their supporters? What about the 50% who voted leave, or do they not matter because they disagree with you, and therefore do not count?

 

Of course they matter; the 33% matter, which is why labour have constantly refused to pick one side.

again; I’m answering the point someone made that if Labour had backed Leave they’d be more successful, it’s easily provably untrue.

just had a quick look at Donny North from 2017.
About 37% of the electorate voted for a strongly pro Brexit candidate, a small number for the Lib Dem’s, so Ed’s vote was made up of an approximate 50% Leave /Remain. They’re all back of *** packet figures

in one of the strongest Leave vote areas in the country, approx half of Labour voters voted Leave (who went back and voted Labour)

 

In my opinion it’s not whether they picked leave or remain, it’s the complete dithering on it. Mr Corbyn is not a leader, and struggles to make any decision.

You can’t please all of the people all of the time. No matter how many focus groups, referendums, or meetings you have.

 

I think Corbyns the worst leader of my lifetime (poss Foot), but anything decisive on Brexit would lose him more than sitting on the fence has.

which comes back to the more important point; Brexit is a divisive issue that was just bubbling under the surface of the Tory party for 20 years. Cameron let it out of the bottle and it’s wrecked the country. Why is anyone blaming Labour for any of this.

the Tories, aided by Farage have covered the entire country in excrement, and they’ve managed to get lots of people shouting ‘Labour are covered in it too, it’s not all our fault’.

 

But if labour weren't racked with accusations of anti semitism, if jc hadnt associations with terrorist groups,if he had have stood firm on his stance on europe there would have been no case to answer. There are so many in denial it borders on fanaticism.

 

Agree with you on Corbyn.
Entirely the wrong man to lead Labour.
He's a sitting target for the right wing to convince cretins he's a racist and a communist.

 

You posted yesterday that the Nazis were socialists.

whilst sadly you’re not unique; we can’t really be expected to respect your opinions. Your idea of ‘research’ is less than comprehensive.

 

Let’s be clear, Brexit is a totally Tory s*** storm and for once labour can’t be blamed. If you’ve been “betrayed” it’s by the lies you were told about easy it would be to leave and how the EU would be queuing up to kiss the Tory backside for a deal.
The truth is harder to deliver than the false promises, remember this when you go to vote Tory. We know that they have a soft spot for Barnsley and how they’ll look after you.

 

Its actually a bit of a fallacy. People who achieve lower educational levels have a tendency to go more right-wing as they get older, but among graduates it barely changes.

 

Probably because they realised that it was likely to be an absolute shitshow and undeliverable.

 

I think that correlates with my 2nd paragraph.

 

I only used those areas as examples as I thought they would be most relevant to most posters on here as an example of I was struggling to see how it would be 70% ish.

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Been called some names over the years but not often ‘normal’

 

The amount of people who don't realise this is truly staggering.

I get that leave voters in labour strongholds like Barnsley want to feel like they've "won" by seeing the result they voted for implemented (even if it's probably to their detriment) but this "bUt ThEy bEtRaYeD Us" schtik is ridiculous. They're doing what they think is going to benefit their constituents, which is the opposite of betrayal ffs.

 

Bit of a pointless thread. RIP Labour in Barnsley? I think someone is a on a wind-up.

But on a serious note, I actually can't see what Labour has done for Barnsley in recent years. I just see complacency everywhere I go. It took me an hour to get from town to Goldthorpe the other day because of congestion. Every single thing the council has done to improve traffic flow has made it ten times worse. There will be hundreds who sit in the same traffic every single day, moan, and still vote for the same numpties come polling day.

And no, I'm not a Tory. I can't stand any of them. But to suggest that today's Labour party represents the values of working class people in and around Barnsley any more than the other shower is laughable.

 

Then the media job is done if you can't see any difference between the Labour & Tories values towards the working class. Incredible.

 

I really wouldn't insult my intelligence in suggesting I gobble up everything the media offers. Quite the contrary. The Tories largely (there are a few good eggs, actually) couldn't really care less about South Yorkshire, I accept that.I won't be voting for them. By and large, they don't know what it is like to live in Barnsley. However, Labour are not really the party of the worker as, quite obviously, they don't really want people to go to 'work'. They're just fantastic at spending everyone else's bloody money and dangling their carrots under the noses of the poorest. They're just as bad when they get a taste of status and wealth. Nice little exercise for you: add up the total wealth of everyone in the shadow cabinet. Alarming, isn't it? And where do half of them live? What makes me sick is that people around here will defend the indefensible when it comes to Labour, simply because they have been reared to hate wealthy people since they were fetuses.

It's about time the people of Barnsley started calling out the Labour Party on their nonsense, just in the same vein they do with the Tories. Make them bloody work for their jobs, just like me and you do. Easiest job in the world if you wear a red rosette around here. The honest, decent, law-abiding people of Barnsley deserve better, but they're being played for fools.

 

I can see many instances in that statement that appear regularly in the right wing media outlets, part of brainwashing is you are unaware of it. Job done there I think.

 

Barnsley council had the biggest funding cut out of every council in the country. What are they actually supposed to do with no money? Of course things are run down, the Tories have been withholding money from our town for decades.