so, six weeks to Brexit

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  1. Marlon

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    Lol
    Remind me where the Saxons come from now ?
     
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    A bit like how successive governments have been happy to let the EU take the blame.
     
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    I'm sorry if i over reacted, but with the amount of ***** that the opinionated lot seem to throw at anyone thats not thinking the same way as them, i for that reason apologise,
     
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    No worries, I can see why you reacted the way you did, no apology necessary.

    Great game today, 3 points as an early Xmas present too.
     
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    I am not saying that at all. I corrected the use of the word "squandered" in an earlier post. My point is that in the 21st century we are not as wealthy a nation as we were when we had an empire to exploit. We are not a world power anymore. We need economic alliances and we have just resigned from, in my opinion, one of the better ones. We are a European Nation after all. Whatever deal we conclude with the EU it will not be nearly as good as the one we have abandoned. In any deal with the US we will be the junior partner. The US will ensure they take care of the heir own interests especially with Trump in charge.
     
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    I run a small business, could you explain to me what employment rights have already disappeared please JV. From my side of the fence many of the employment laws have added costs to my business and altered my way of thinking.
     
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    the tories as part of the brexit process will end employees rights to paid holiday and the limits on the amount of hours they can work. Therefore you as employer could make someone work 100 hours a week and give them 0 holidays
     
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    The future of whether In or out long term is an unknown. The future of the Euro is far more certain and if you investigate thoroughly you will end up agreeing with the creator of the Euro that it is a case of 'when' not 'if' the Euro will fail. i agree that people predicting it's imminent collapse are way off the mark but there are a number of factors making it appear stronger than it is.
    1 The Greek situation has NOT gone away, and in spite of Draghi 'bigging it up' several months ago, claiming the Greek economy had recovered, they still owe billions their debt to GDP is worse than the UK with little or no capacity to increase GDP (unlike UK) and all the loans they receive have simply kicked the can down the road.
    2 The EZ 'growth' is an illusion propped up by a massive QE program from teh ECB whcih ended after deveral years only to be replaced by another one that makes the UK QE post the crash look like someone raidng the piggy-bank.
    3 A single central interest rate in a two tier economy PIGS vs the rest cannot in the long term work. Whlist there are many measures countries can take to manage their domestic economies, setting interest rates is a vital tool. What suits Germany and France hinders Greece, Italy Spain and Portugal.
    4 Overarching all the above (and the reason the architect of the original concept of the single currency states it WILL fail) is political interference from the EU that distorted the original single currency mechanism. One reason (and there are many others) is that the commission and members states (Germany being the main culprit) in the headlong rush to expand the EU 'Empire' played 'fast and loose' with the rules allowing countries who did not meet the criteria to join nevertheless.

    Because of the above. I profoundly disagree with you thinking that joining the Euro "would be no bad thing". Whether or not you are a remainer or a leaver the fact that after we have left we would be bound to adopt the Euro as a condition of rejoining at some point (in spite of what some argue) makes it unlikely that we would apply to do so unless the EU drastically changes course in the structure and functioning of the EZ and ECB.
     
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    Do you really think that would happen? The industry I work in is heavily regulated and there is a severe shortage. If I suddenly stopped paying holiday pay because it was no longer a legal requirement my staff would leave and go to a firm that still paid it. Likewise with working excessive hours they would move to a company that offered less hours. Also surely the Conservative party will also want to keep the working voters that defected to them in the next election. I don’t see employment rights being eroded(nor do I want them to be)
     
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    Not prefictable at all..

    You have to plan for all eventualities. There’s enough people like you saying the world will end, to see that the planning stage does have to include this.

    Do you know that they regularly prepare for the possibility of a large scale terror attack on MeadowHell? Does that mean it will happen?

    Do you know they regularly prepare for troops attacking our coastline.? Does that mean it will happen?

    Any Government agency that did not run these kind of tests to their systems would be very ineffective.
     
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    Err that was a report from 2017!!

    EDIT: As regards Government papers plan for a crash. As someone said it standard business practice to oplan for all eventualities It is called 'due diligence'.

    They did the same when the referendum result was announced and the recession 'prdicted' did not happen.
     
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    Genuine question...

    What exactly will change so that your current lifestyle will end?
     
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    Nonsense, the European working time directive sets a limit to the working week. Your firm sends an opt out form with your contract. You contract has a clause which says the company expects a reasonable amount of overtime but wont define what reasonable is. So we work 50 hours as standard and then up to 60. And if we dont like it then apparently theres no lock on the gate keeping us in.
     
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    When free movement is removed we will be treated like any other visitor and that currently means 90 days in the EU followed by a required 90 days out of EU.
     
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    Are you sure that’s right. Obviously not too familiar with how the EU operates but most places which issue 90 day “tourist” visas don’t ban you from returning within 90 days of leaving. Is the EU different? What happens to people who make short visits on a regular basis will they be unable to do so without 90 day breaks
     
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    There’s a difference between having plans in place ‘just in case’ and making solid plans for an imminent recession.

    but; feel free to keep pretending that changing our relationship with our largest trading partners will turn out ok a couple of months later if it makes you feel better. Just believe that we can succeed - it worked for Morais ;)

    If theres one thing that JRM, Mark Carney, John McDonnell and our last 2 Tory chancellors all agree on its that a no deal Brexit will devastate the economy for decades.
     
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    It is 90 days in a 180 day period so yes you can do short visits as long as your total for a 180 day period does not exceed 90 days. Of course all this is valid for current non EU visitors to schengen however we have to wait and see what the agreements will be for us.
     
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    Ok thanks that’s clear. Unfortunately for you the way our government is determined to distance ourselves as much as possible from the EU it’s hard to see us getting a better deal than any other 3rd country. For me it’s just going to make life more difficult and costly but probably not fundamentally change my business trips and holidays but I can see for some that would be much more of a problem.
     
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