O/T Music you had forgotton - Lucie Silvas

As John Lennon said "Ringo isn't the best drummer in the Beatles". Can't agree about Keith Moon. Ginger Baker, Connie Kay, Phil Seamen. Chacun a son gout.

 

Ringo Starr is actually a better drummer than he is given credit for. He makes it to number 14 on the Rolling Stone list of all time drummers.

 

I don't think the Rolling Stone knows that much about anything other than very mainstream music from the 60's & 70's.

Paul McCartney played drums on much of the latter Beatles recordings. Moon was in a different league though. Charlie Watts of the Stones is a great drummer, but nowhere in the league of Art Blakey, as he would say himself.

 

It's all about opinion and personal taste, as for Rolling Stone it doesn't have Ry Cooder, Mark Knopfler, David Linley, Richard Thompson or Mike Bloomfield in its top 30 guitarists. Mick Green and Albert Lee don't make the top 100. It makes one wonder who makes up the lists. I think Rolling Stones lists are more about popularity.

 

Oh no doubt whatsoever that Starr is not in the same league as Moon, Peart, Baker and Bonham.

His son Zak is a very good drummer who got some tuition from the great Moon when he was a kid. I've seen Zak with The Who twice and he really impresses me.

 

True, it is all about opinions. I don't think Starr is great by any stretch but I think he's better than his reputation. He's certainly nowhere near as good as the greats like Moon and some of the others mentioned in this thread.

 

Agree with you on Art Blakey. Phil Seamen, Bakers mentor?

 

Yes with Blakey & Max Roach.

 

We must never forget Buddy Rich. Probably the greatest drummer ever. If you need confirmation of this then watch some youtube videos, his remarkable timing and energy is mind blowing. Apparently he was a total ******* to work for and ruled his young musicians with an iron fist and terror.

 

Brilliant drummer but an out and out prat as a bloke. I never liked him. His attitude put me off him and hence never a fan of his.

 

Yes, drumming influences build up, like guitar, bass & other things. Hendrix reinvented the guitar, full stop, Ron Carter & John Entwhistle invented the bass, Jazz drummers of the 50's & 60's paved the way for players that went outside he box. Ginger Baker was a complete arsehole as a person, but took in everything the jazz drummers did & put it into 4/4 rock, as did Moon. Zak is a great drummer, but will know his heritage well & it is black jazz drummers that made drumming something more than keeping time, Ringo is a nice dude in my book, a member of the fab four, which I truly love. A great drummer, no, that is fake news.

 

nowt up with the who mario especially as they are pro brexitteers..

 

rolling stone is driven by popularity and thats why so many musicians are unheard of by it reader,your thoughts on the mag are spot on pal

 

Hi mate, you are a top poster in my book & someone I respect. Rolling Stone is so out of touch with modern music, doubt if anyone over 45 has heard of it.

 

I have serious doubts about any top 100 drummers list that fails to include Gavin Harrison.

 

Yes he's brilliant. Would be nowt without the aforementioned, as I'm sure he'd admit. All the off beat Metal & prog, like System of a Down is all jazz influenced, so comes back to Blakey & Roach.

 

Back to the original topic.

Mansun - Stripper Vicar. For some reason it popped up on my FaceBook timeline last week.

 

An interesting band from this era, they were included in brit pop, but were not. Much more prog / psyche really.

 

I'd agree with you. Definitely a prog feel to their first couple of albums. I like em.

 

I'd agree with that. Quite unlike the others of the time.....Kula Shaker aside.