More and more convinced the "plan" from the start was relegation...

Think higher wages in the Championship will off set some of the £6m, so the difference won't be as much as that, it is still a significant sum tho.

But it's also the other things that go with it, bigger teams, larger away support, better atmosphere's (not when we lose every week tho..)

The plan will fail though ultimately in the fact that if we carry on signing the dross that we are, no one is going to want to buy any of them!!

After this summer when we all know Mowatt, Woodrow & Brown will go, possibly Chaplin, I can only think of Odour that is worth taking a punt on & who might get them a few quid.

It's rubbish when we are talking of our players as asset's for money & not being an asset to help us up the table...

 

I agree entirely but haven't Barnsley FC done this for more than the last 10 years under different ownership?

 

Seriously mad that anyone can believe this. I am not defending all the actions that the owners have taken. But this is utter nonsense.

There are so many unknowns to start, with respect to the finances. So anything OP suggests is pure speculation piled on top of speculation and eventually piled on top of some presumed conspiracy.

How does OP account for the yo-yoing between League 1 and the Championship the club has done in the last 2 decades? More profiteering?

Occam's razor would suggest that the owners incorrectly thought the "spreadsheet/plan" would be far more effective than it has been. So when Conway said the summer window was the best ever, he meant it. He thought we'd snaffled some gems, and beat the traditional system, hence why he/they ignored everyone's "no experience" comments. It's as simple as that. They now seem aware that the "plan" is not working: they have loaned young Killian and signed old man Sollbauer, on this basis.

I also think people are ignorant, in general, of how much it costs to run a football club.

 

We'd have been better bringing in Jack Bauer at the back always saves the day.

 

Pretty much how I see things.Mistakes yes error of judgement yes lack of communication yes again but so far there's been no evidence whatsoever of them taking money out of the club.Surely the only way to make a profit is by being successful which they haven't achieved yet.

 

Yea i dont think (imho) they have set out to get us relegated its just that the players they recruited, they were hoping to "get away with it" and it has seriously back fired. Their own fault and unproffesional but they havent set out to get us demoted deliberately.

 

Do you think we need to reassess the recruitment team.They were assembled by Patrick after Hecky asked for one to help with his work load.

 

If not the team then the process. It needs more flexibility....as does the overall plan errrrr imho!

 

No I think if the team string a few wins together and manage to stay up or make a fight of it the majority will be back onside. Even if we go down. Say the club sign another Woodrow type centre forward and midfielder of the Dougall ilk and start with a bang the fickle nature of fans will mean it's all been forgotten.

Winning is everything and masks a lot of things in the background. Fans only look deeper into how things are being run when the team is losing.

 

I still feel that if we stay up (dont think we will), the process aint fit for this league we are in (as is obvious)...ie we havent recruited players of the standard required in this league, with the exception of maybe Chaplin.

 

What do you think btw?

 

I 'm not too sure to be honest.The way I understand things is,the recruitment team works with the coach to identify targets once the target s are identified the information is passed to the CEO who in turn works with the financial director and then any deals are passed on to the board who the releases the funds.
The recruitment team have found some gems ie Pinnock and Odour for example some who although aren't bad players aren't quite ready.
I suppose they are judged on the better secured players so for me it's probably 60/40 against them at the moment.
They'll have a budget set by the board and a strategy although it has been tweeked a few times for all the coaches,Pinilos,Moore,Radlinger,Reitzmair and Sollbair for instance.
I advocated a few weeks ago for a Director of Football preferably aquainted to which ever league we are in to liaise between the recruitment team,and coach directly to the board and to assess every target on merit both talent wise and financial wise so the plan can be flexible and changed accordingly.

 

Do you really believe that after Portsmouth thrashed us? Seriously, the bit about odds on promotion.

 

Yes, but not through choice or this method being the intention of PC. PC bankrolled us, but he wasn't super wealthy so we had to sell the jewels to keep us afloat, he had taken us as far as he could IMO. These conmen could fund us properly, but are just choosing not to in favour of the club churning profit for them. They told us about how they were going to globalise the Barnsley brand and increase revenue streams, buy the land etc etc. None of this has, or will happen. They have taken PC's formula and put it on a course of steroids.

 

I agree with that and of course we have the terrible recruitment this summer. Hope its not true we paid one million quid for the ghost!!

 

I don't think these signings have been made by the same people. Some of those have probably been sold on as well.

 

Conclusion not found in evidence.

 

I agree with the DoF role.
The problem with the current set up(I see it like you), is that no one currently knows where it is failing.
Is it the identification of players or the CEO or a combination? I remember Mourinho saying at MU that he tells Woodward what position, recruitment get a list of best options EW then works down the list.
So in theory you could have 10 on the list and you end up with tenth choice because the other 9 say no for a variety of reasons.
In that scenario the issue has to sit with the CEO because recruitment have done their part.
Like anything in life until you identify the weak part you can’t fix it.

 

I think the problem lays solely with money.
As you describe the identification of what is required and the process that follows but the key ingredient is wages, as my dad used to say to me ......" i couldnt send you to the shop with a quid and ask you to get £10 worth of snap!"...and we will have a definate idea how much we are prepated to pay on wages.
i.e We needed an experienced centre back....we have one....yea but we needed someone with championship experience........well you gave me 3 grand per week...its all i could get for the money!

 

You could and probably are right, however the reality is he has his cards dealt and is expected to get results from them or there is no point being there. You would expect he knew the deal before he signed upto it.