Sorry to bring it up again, but I have a question for the Vegans/Veggies on here

I am not surehow old that article is but I am sure many of the extreme practices and conditions described are now outlawed in the EU and many places (not withstanding US intensive farming methods are still IMO unacceptable. The article, whilst factual, is clearly one sided as it does not show 'best practice' or reference the decrease in intensive farming methods. The increase in the availablity of free range chicken and eggs enables people who do not wish to go Veggie or Vegan to choose wisely what they consume. Again the argument should focus on quality of life and humane slaughter methods for animals even if it means meat becomes more expensive.
From a selfish perspective animals reared and killed humanely taste better anyway ( there is a clear difference in FR chickens raised in natural environment over a longer period than 30 day intensive farming ones which used to be two for a fiver!! in supermarkets when we lived in the UK) Meat from a stressed animal transported miles to huge slaughter houses where they are terrified and muscles (meat) is full of adrenaline at the moment they are killed. Simply put, animals killed in familiar surroundings taste better. The eggs we buy are twice the price of standard ones but come from local farms, are fresher and taste amazing. They run around the farmyards and have plenty of space.
I strongly believe converting the entire World population to Veganism is impractical if not impossible for many reasons. Rather than the evangelical approach from Veggies and Vegans, not to mention the more extreme actions from Animal rights activists , none of which will convince people to give up meat, it would be better to move in smaller steps by increasing constraints on intensive farming methods and allowing S&D to regulate price. We have all got too used to cheap food and eat too much meat anyway. Quality over quantity. That is more sustainable than what we have now.
Overpopulation is the main issue. I seem to recall Singapore introduced a tax system that rewarded one child families, then removed tax benefits for two children, increasing tax penalties on parents in line with how many additional children they had. I am not sure how efficient that was and in any case HR lawyers would have a field day if they tried to introduce it in UK for example. However people having children they cannot afford to maintain and the World cannot ultimately feed is unsutainable regardless of what diet we adopt.

 

There's plenty of easily verifiable external evidence for the size of the populations in various countries, such as energy consumption, GDP relative to average salary, industrial and pollution output etc etc. But even if there wasn't, why exactly would any country lie about their census data? What would anybody actually stand to gain from it?

 

Fair enough. Believe what you like: it's nothing to do with me.

I think you're utterly insane, but there we go.

 

Do you also believe the earth is flat?

 

82% of ALL THE BIRDS IN THE WORLD are chickens.

 

Seagulls in Bridlington aren’t, they’re scared of nothing.

 

Besides - 'burger' doesn't mean 'cross-section of a cylinder formed of meat', it just means 'cross-section of a cylinder.'

'Sausage' doesn't mean 'meat-based item extruded into the shape of a thin turd', it means 'anything at all extruded into the shape of a thin turd.' I made sausages out of Plasticene when I was a kid.

The word is the word, and is usually prefixed by the name of a sort of meat. But a plant burger is no less a burger than a beef one.

 

I get what you say, but my point is that they try to masquerade their foods with some meat like flavours..... that I just do not get at all.

 

Do they? Quorn mince doesn't taste like beef mince. It doesn't taste of anything at all, really. Same for the sausages.

In my view, veggie/vegan food is pretty bland, hence why I basically live like a South Asian and make everything very spicy.

 

Where's your evidence to the contrary then? And what's the point in lying about population numbers, what's the aim?

 

Out of curiosity how many people do you think are in the planet?