Sorry guys I know there are lots here who follow the Guardian newspaper....

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  1. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

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    ..and whilst the Guardian is one of the better papers albeit not 'straight down the middle' I really believe the current headline, is really totally unneccessary in the current climate.
    There is a clear distinction between propaganda and morale boosting , the latter being something the nation desperately needs as the strain of 'lockdown' starts to take its toll.

    It isn't even reporting 'facts' just a doom laden 'what if' scenario.

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ris-johnson-in-hospital-a-crisis-of-authority
     
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    68 million pound loss by the Sun. Such a shame!
     
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    I can see where you are coming from on this - also see my post on a sky news headline being unnecessarily negative but in this I think the Guardian has a point. Maybe its headline could be worded better but the actual point of the article is very valid - Boris is in intensive care and by definition is seriously unwell - hopefully he will pull through and recover but he isnt going to be fit to run the country for several weeks at a time when strong leadership is more critical than its been for some time.

    For reasons that are not clear to me we have no constitutional way to handle a Prime Minister being temporarily too ill to work- bit late to be pointing that out now of course but it is something that needs to be addressed urgently - though how we do it with the PM not well enough to be involved is a tricky question.

    For sure Raab does not command the popular support that Boris does not even in the Conservative party never mind the country and with no definition about what powers he actually has it makes things more difficult
     
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  4. Tek

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    Huh!!!?? Not sure what the connection is to the OPo_O
     
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    It’s an opinion piece. The headline is fair enough, he is in hospital and it’s not clear who is now in charge of what at a time when we need strong and clear leadership. I’d agree if the headline was ‘Oh nooo, Boris is going to die, what will we dooo?’ The article itself addresses very relevant points.
     
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    People might not like the Sun on here Helen but just bear in mind those kind of losses can only be bad news for the ordinary people who are employed there, and will almost inevitably lead to job losses.
     
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    Agree. I don't really understand why even the U.S. has, not just a V.P. but a 'designated survivor' system when we have no disaster plan. Even the official opposition has a deputy leader (albeit I think the current one might lack the experience to take the full mantle of PM although that is not really the point) . It makes little sense for any Governing body of any organisation never mind the one running the country not to have some plan in place should the leader become incapacitated.
     
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    Surely this article is more about the constitution, rather than Johnson per se. It could have applied to pretty much any leader from Thatcher onwards. Since then cabinet has become far less important in making decisions, everything on a day to day basis is in the hands of the PM & his advisors. As I believe Cummings & the CMO are also absent due to having symptoms this does leave a vacuum.
     
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    We have a designated survivor. The "details man" Dominic Raab, who didn't know Dover was important to cross-channel traffic, didn't realise Lima (capital of Peru) wasn't in the Philippines, and didn't read the Good Friday Agreement when he was negotiating Brexit. He also resigned over a Brexit deal that was worse than staying in the EU (his words), then voted for a worse deal only a few weeks later...

    Oh yeah, and he thinks the NHS funding demands are a "Child's wish list"

    But, at least it wasn't Patil (where is she?), JRM (where is he?) or Grayling.
     
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    I'm sure this lovely fella will help them out.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch
     
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    The Guardian has some fine reporting on *actual* news. Unfortunately, it's getting increasingly full of wrong-headed thinkpieces (Owen Jones et al) that dilute its real journalism.
     
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    It's completely valid.

    I know it's probably made your Johnson sized Johnson slightly flaccid to read it though.
     
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    Printed media is dying a slow death. It has been for 20 years. It is unfortunate for those that are involved in that industry, but those in charge need to change their business model to survive. It might help to get sympathy if the Sun hadn't spent the last 40+ years polluting the atmosphere of the UK with attacks on the workers, foreigners, immigrants, those of ethnic origin, women, the disabled, those unable to work, Liverpool fans, the Labour party, doctors and the NHS*.

    *Apologies to all those I've missed off the very long list.
     
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    Yes but that's the owners and editors.
    I just don't see why people take pleasure in people potentially being out of work. Especially at a time when so many places are struggling and jobs will be at a real premium. No company at the moment will be able to absorb massive losses without laying staff off
     
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    Whilst a noble idea how much solidarity with the working classes has their employer shown?
     
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    Whats your link to the Sun do you work for them or something - whilst I don't want anyone to lose their job, my sympathy for Sun workers is a bit lower than most of those with their jobs currently in danger. I think the country would be a better one without The Sun in it and don't think the fact there would be some job losses is a good enough reason for it to keep going. I guess you weren't happy that jobs went when the News of the World was forced to close either.
     
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    Mind you I see Leeds have just reported a £21 million pre tax loss so I'm wavering a bit!
     
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    Why should I have to have an affiliation with them just to worry about workers?
    I don't buy any newspaper, but its an inescapable fact that loads of folk do, can you honestly say if it was the difference between your family going hungry or working for the Sun you wouldn't.
    To say you would accept job losses just to get rid of a paper just because you don't like is quite honestly unbelievable.
    I've been made redundant twice in my life through no fault of my own ( the worst kind with no remuneration) and when you have a family to support its frightening and you don't forget that feeling,plus it would be even more so at a time like this.
     
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    The power vacuum is real - and the Indie has a similar slant...

    Maybe it's not 'helpful', but is the MSM's 'fighting spirit' view of Boris' illness any more helpful - painting the picture that the right attitude and a bit of resilience will 'defeat' the virus?

    Doesn't that imply that all those dead didn't make it because they didn't have the guts to fight?

    One of those stories is wildly dangerous - and I'm not sure that the Grauniad is the one guilty of that :)
     
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