Lockdown extended for at least 3 more weeks

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  1. BarnsleyReds

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    As expected
     
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    The fifth point on that exit criteria seemed rather vague. Will take incredibly wide spread treating to be confident of no second wave.
    I assume its because the next phase of this is going to be slow relaxation and the message to the public will be more complex than just "stay at home" they are worried about saying much at this stage.
    Raab did mention "adjusting restrictions" as opposed to lifting them, which would as expected suggest the elderly and vulnerable will be ask to shield for a lot longer than 12 weeks.
    They ducked all the questions on levels of testing required again though.
     
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    Any lifting of restrictions will lead to more cases. They know this. Everybody knows this really. We started with a handful of cases and that quickly increased to thousands. If you begin the lifting of restrictions when the number of cases in the population is much higher than when you brought in the restrictions in the first place then it will surpass the levels we have now very quickly. On 23rd March, when lockdown began, we'd had a total of 6, 600 cases. We've now had more than 100,000 with 4 or 5,000 new cases every day. Almost as many new cases every day as we had in total when lockdown began. In three weeks we'll also see how Donald Trump has turned a disaster into a catastrophe by opening up parts of America for business. If we're sticking to the same criteria, flattening the curve, we can't come out for... Certainly not anything like 3 weeks
     
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    You can do a gradual easing though - but it has to be coupled with a rigorous test and trace regime with home quarantine for all with the desease or been in contact until tested clear - its how South Korea got it back under control and how Germany propose to start lifting restrictions
    not sure we will be in a position to do that in 3 weeks time - in fact I will be amazed if we are
     
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    The test and trace process used by South Korea would be great but I suspect would be met with a lot of resistance from quite a large minority in this country.
     
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    Lockdown is working but we'd be much further on if whilst we stayed at home they didn't allow 15k a day through airports according to Matt Hancock.
     
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    I would imagine at least 99% of those are brits returning home, though? Yes, they shouldn't have gone abroad, if they have in the last few weeks, but you can't not let people home.
     
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    I'm not sure the word "allow" is very fair here. The government's advice to UK residents abroad is to travel home. Equally, those currently under lockdown in the EU who went out (in many cases before lockdown) under standard tourist Freedom of Movement rules will become "unlawfully resident" after 90 days if they don't return home. If they ignore that advice and limit then amongst other things their right to emergency healthcare might be called into question which isn't a great position to be in right now. It's not an easy decision to make. Believe me.
     
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    How much cheaper would it have been to close the borders and tell people to go to their nearest British Embassy?

    You can't do that! It's too draconian. How many people have died because of 3000 Athletico Madrid supporters being allowed into country?
     
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    Were deaths abnormally high in Liverpool?
     
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    No problem with people coming back. We could arguably ask people to quarantine themselves for 14 days. Something a friend of mine is doing since she got back from Africa. But in reality there is no more chance of being infected in most of the places people are returning from than there is here on your trip to Tesco’s
     
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    How long were those Athletico fans quarantined for?
     
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    Well they werent. The point is the infection rates/deaths in Liverpool should be higher if they were infected by the Atletico Madrid fans.
     
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    I know my daughter was in with the away support and thankfully had no symptoms. I dont think the article shows the totals are higher than elsewhere in the country though?
     
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    15 minutes ....link passport control if they landed at Liverpool........1 hour + if they came via Manchester ;)
     
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    That’s about 50 to 70 planes... still seems a large number of planes if you look at Flightradar24... especially as many planes are just for freight?
     
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    According to BBC it is higher in NWest than other regions. Not specific to Liverpool and nothing to support the Athletico link but does seem higher.
    Take London and South Coast out which are known hotspots.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52282844
     
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    Bit it also shows that there is an undoubted link between the death rate of areas in general and the death rates of covid-19.

    Its also interesting to note that while a lot of the areas listed are still lagging behind the death toll numbers from the seasonal flu outbreak of early 2015 there does seem to be a strong correlation between the rates then and the rates now.
     
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    No.
     
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