This is who Cummings is....

Oh I'd like

Tell thi what once lockdown is over let's meet up, you can explain to my face why you act the way you do over an ale or babycham. How's that sound cupcake?

 

This from a bloke whose most thoughtful comment on this board so far consisted of two words.... "Just that"
Which turned out to be a jubilant praise of a set of statistics that were...broken promises and lies.
Are those 40,000 tests still in the post do you reckon?

 

Always embarrassing when you have 2 sites open at once. Think you should have posted this on your. Grindr account. thanks for the offer, but not my type, nothing personal or prejudicial. I’m sure Fonziie will partake in a babysham with you. Might even invite you into his office

 

Add homophobe to the long list of things that you are.

 

Explain how politely turning down a request for a date from someone who offered me babysham and called me cupcake is homophobic

 

Nett to the economy?
We’re about to find out

 

I'll start explaining myself to you when you start offering everyone else on here the same courtesy, instead of going into hiding back under your bridge.

 

Ok then to put it more bluntly my bad, you're a gobshite who I think would **** themselves if actually challenged in person.

 

Regarding Greece (no issues with the rest of your post) Greece was in trouble long before the crash. Their Debt to GDP ratio was bad before 2008 and is even worse now running at around 181% For the past few years, membership of the Eurozone has been their problem, or more specifically, being in the Euro. They have NO control over their own interest rates and were 'drip fed' bail outs from the EU/ECB not just to stop them going bust but more to service maturing previous bond loan repayments due to investors refusing to take a' haircut'. In plain English it is like loan sharks lending more and more money giving it with one hand and then taking it straight back to cover previous loaned amounts at an ever increasing rate of interest allowing the debt to pile up. In spite of it going quiet, and the EU claiming the situation has improved, it has continued to deteriorate and God only knows, given we are all in the same boat, how the crippling effect of the Pandemic will affect them if even the Powerhouse that is Germany is entering recession.

Not normally one who follows the 'Guardian' avidly but the following is an interesting read.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/c.../04/greece-economic-recovery-for-few-not-many

Basically Greece is 'shafted' and the EU/ECB and IMF is not the saviour that many believe. As I have said many times (merely echoing what the founder of the Euro has said) the Euro, if not the EU, WILL at some point fail due to political ideology dominating practicalities. There is NO way a single interest rate determined by the ECB, for example, can fit the needs of 27 countries whose economies are widely differing.

Finally not sure that regarding ...ahem....' MOOslims' ....everybody believed the BULLsh*t being spouted.

 

Proximate cause though. According to the architect of the Euro, it will fail because the EU's political ideology conflicts with the mechanisms that would make the Euro workable (his words not mine). You have to remember the EEC a trading treaty morphed into the EU which gradually has become a political ideology with some targeting a Federal State. None of that was in the pipeline when the Euro was conceived.

 

Cummings said that Greece was ruined by the euro.
It wasn't. The crisis was caused by huge debt exposed by the crash. No arguments about the response of the EU but the euro didn't cause the problem.

 

Have you read my reply at #49 (rather than the one at #50 )in which I give my reasoning for disagreeing with your statement? IMO the Euro IS the problem. Merely repeating it isn't without responding to my reasons why I believe it is is pointless.

 

I did respond. In my opinion the Euro ISN'T.
I thought my reply was pretty obvious. Or do you expect everyone to just agree with you once they've read your words of wisdom?

 

Tetchy! Sorry. I wasn't intended to be antagonistic but, again, your reply is not "obvious" . I hope it was just that you were a little a bit wound up with your spat with NeilMoll and I got caught in the crossfire hence your terse response.

Whilst I have given facts, quoted sources to evidence why I believe the Euro is largely responsible for Greece's problems, you simply say, in your opinion it isn't without any counter evidence as to why not. In fact your response went further by categorically stating, "the crisis was caused by huge debt exposed by the crash. No arguments about the response of the EU but the euro didn't cause the problem."

That does not explain how the huge "exposed" debt occurred in the first place (albeit part of the problem was historically down to Greece's low GDP per capita, unaffordable pensions and early retirement rules). The original Drachma to Euro conversion also, allegedly, hit the Greek economy hard.

And, no! I don't expect everyone to "agree with my words of wisdom" (as if!) but the rules of debate usually means that people need to present a rationale for the counter argument rather than simply dismissing the original PoV.

 

Just like everybody blamed price rises in the shops on decimalisation.....

 

"Lost" you say.

"Invested" I say.

It's a club membership fee, a fee that means we don't have to spend money on custom checks or on making our goods compliant or extra paperwork and beaurocracy.

It's a fee that allows us access to a huge market for our goods, this allows us to but goods cheaper and sell goods to a huge number of people.

Every study shows that what we spend in fees is more than made up in the benefits it gains us.

It's like Costco, yeah it costs £35 a year to be a member, but I can buy 1500 Yorkshire tea bags for 37p.

 

People obviously feel that paying £50 million a day for access to the market is too much.
It makes much more sense to spend (as a figure) say £60 million a day in tariffs, bureaucracy etc.
Do they think that just because we aren’t paying into the EU, we aren’t paying anything?

 

Sweet Jesus....

 

Utter ********. You’ve been had, you dumb ****

 

tell you what,theres some insults and threats flying around on here and all because folk dont agree with each other

oh, btw,you cannot get 1500 yorks tea bags from costco for 37p