Dominic Cummings

You've been voting for a Tory Party that's consistently underfunded the NHS, yet now you want to hear why their long term plans are.

You expect to be taken seriously?

 

He should without doubt be given a fixed penalty notice, treated just the same as anyone else

 

You don't think there's even a single difference between a member of the public breaking the rules and someone that helped draw them up breaking them?

Do you apply that philosophy to every profession and every crime/rule break?

 

Hang on.

He said he's never voted Tory before.

 

The Government are doing the work for him. As Napoleon said 'Never interfere with an enemy while he's destroying himself.' Instead the opposition parties, including Labour, were locked in talks yesterday. This is a long game and yesterday's talks might prove to be more important in the longer term.

 

Starmer can't sack an MP - although they can withdraw the whip.

 

If he receives a fixed penalty notice and a caution from the police, that could affect his ability to retain security clearance - in which case, he would lose his job, just the same as anyone else in that position.

 

If I got caught shoplifting, I'd expect a minor punishment (first-time offence). Something like community service. I wouldn't expect to lose my job.

If it was Cressida Dick, head of the Met, I'd expect her to lose her job.

Given that he's an unelected bureaucrat at the top of the government (oh the irony) who was heavily involved in the creation of the rules he has breached, the punishment needs to be relevant.

 

Tbf Kinnock jnr posted it all on soctal media and didn't attempt to cover it up as far as I recall?

 

I think Labour’s thinking is, and I’m not saying whether it’s right or wrong, is that the Tories are doing a bad enough job on their own at handling this so he can hold his ammo back.

 

shoplifting is a criminal offence defined in law. The law would treat her exactly the same as anyone else. Her employers may then to decide to take action if they felt they had been brought into disrepute.

Breaking lockdown generates a fixed penalty notice.
A fixed penalty is issued by the police for minor offences and isn't classed as a criminal conviction. If you pay the fine on time, that's the end of the matter and all liability for the offence is discharged.

The press made a big thing about one rule for all. Let’s not say ordinary folk get fixed penalty and someone else gets police caution.

He should be looked into and treated exactly same as anyone else. Then if his boss backs him, that’s it. Whether it’s wise of his boss to back him is a choice he makes and him that suffers the consequences and loss of trust on decision making.

 

I haven’t, so your assumptions are false

 

Even that loony leftie, Isabel Oakeshott!

 

The first has a certain ring to it!

 

You make a good point about how he should be judged (legally), the same as anyone else, and beyond that it's down to the ethics of the employer.

Which is why I said what I did. I wouldn't expect to lose my job, but I'd expect the Met to fire Cressida Dick for the same minor offence, as they're the organisation responsible for the oversight of crime in this country, so can't realistically have someone with a criminal record in charge.

This is analogous to Cummings. Ok, he only gets a fixed penalty notice, same as everybody else, but losing his job doesn't come from a legal framework. It comes from his employer, and as I mentioned earlier, it's completely reasonable to expect them to fire him, or to ask him to step down. You can't construct a 'do as I say, not as I do' regime while working in an unelected) government position.

 

Be a bit hard to ask for when you've had a few!

 

I think I'd have gone for blurry vision if I'd picked a name.