My ancestors didn’t own SLAVES

WRONG again.
Black monkey - not monkeys.
Yer reading what you want to read when it comes to me.
SuperTyke has explained what it was.
I’m not here to pacify such as you.

 

Interesting this. Working class people say between 1600 to 1800 would I'd have imagined accounted for 99% of the population (none had the franchise). The landed elite ruled in life and in parliament. We probably didn't have what you could call a middle-class until well into industrialisation. Can you provide any significant documentary evidence that working class people in the uk owned slaves abroad? The vast majority lived in crowded hovels barely existing (the condition of the English working class, Engels, a great read).
Of course Nudger's post is typically moronic.

 

Can you be more specific ?
I don’t know the figures - so could you let us know how much of Britain’s current GDP is accredited to the ‘large proportion’ of wealth created through slavery?

 

Moronic - but echoing every thing I’ve pointed out.

 

‘DO THEIR BIT’ !!!!
FFS
Do their bit ......... the British working people over the centuries have been literally worked to death.
And you say ...... they did their BIT.
What background do you foooking come from?
Downton !?!?!

 

Im sure it was a total coincidence that you chose that comparison in a thread about race. Just utter sheer coincidence

Again don't think you are racist but you went too far with that IMO.

 

If you look at the standards by which modern slavery judges people to be in slavery - most of our ancestors in the coal mines and cotton mills would have met this standard easily.

I bet at least as many if not more as a percentage of the indigenous population have bonded labour and tied labour in their ancestral past than the non-white population of the country.

From the Caribbean, of course, that would be the highest - but none white compared to white - I reckon it's balanced as to whose ancestor had more slavery in their past.


And despite all this I'm not calling for the renaming of anything called Fitzwilliam.

 

There have been some bad takes on this debate on here, but this might be the worst.

 

So we shouldn't feel guilty about this country prospering from slavery because we the working class have up until 2015 (I think I read that's when the debt was finally paid off) been paying for the slaves freedom. So all our BAME friends of African / West Indian heritage should be thanking us British working class folks for footing the bill for their Great Great Grandparents and consequently their freedom. I look forward to a statue of a British worker being erected in Kingstone Jamaica in our honour.

 

Yer looking to pick points.
Which makes you look foolish.
I did deliberately use the example of Delhi black monkey hysteria - to test how much national media had wiped up the level of herd mentality on here.
It’s at a level that most on here are now willing to rewrite history.
Candidates for ...... Pol Pot - Year Zero.

 

Thanks for finally admitting you are a WUM.

 

Whilst we can argue all day long about Britain building an Empire largely through slavery, you have to remember it was not just Britain that kept slaves. Much of the slavery focussed on i.e. plantations in the America's exited long after America became independent. This from Wiki although there is a wealth of material out there...

Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa, and still continues today in some African countries.

Systems of servitude and slavery were common in parts of Africa in ancient times, as they were in much of the rest of the ancient World When the Arab slave trade (which started in the 7th century) and Atlantic slave trade (which started in the 16th century) began, many of the pre-existing local African slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa.

Slavery in historical Africa was practiced in many different forms: Debt slavery, enslavement of war captives, military slavery, slavery for prostitution, and criminal slavery were all practiced in various parts of Africa.Slavery for domestic and court purposes was widespread throughout Africa. Plantation slavery also occurred, primarily on the eastern coast of Africa and in parts of West Africa. The importance of domestic plantation slavery increased during the 19th century, due to the abolition of the Atlantic slave trade. Many African states dependent on the international slave trade reoriented their economies towards legitimate commerce worked by slave labour.

None of the above exonerates the Plantation owners or any of the UK gentry who engaged in the slave trade and made fortunes and the additional element of racism and regarding slaves as sub-human, plus the churches condoning such behaviour and the perpetrators makes it, if that is possible, even more heinous in our eyes.

Nevertheless, beating ourselves up for crime against humanity dating back to a different less enlightened era, where values and morality were completely different is a pointless exercise, except to learn from it and not repeat the same mistakes of the past. To say someone's ancestors benefited from slavery and then 'visiting the sins of the fathers on the sons' is ridiculous where the sons are living as the majority of us do not having inherited any of this so called blood money. We need to focus on the here and now. One or two on here need to get a grip and stop virtue signalling.

 

The only thing that will make him more or less likely to stay is the size of the contract put in front of him. Let’s not pretend any different

 

That’s an odd slant.
I feel no guilt for what happened to the slaves, I refuse to feel guilt for something I never did. However it’d be wrong to not acknowledge their place in our history.

However, the slaves didn’t prosper from the compensation we paid to the slave owners, so it’s be weird for the ancestors of those slaves to thank us for making their former owners rich (including churches - it really is a story with few upsides).

 

I don't virtue signal @Tekkytyke - I've just seen first hand how racism has affected my brother in law and find it difficult to process how in the year 2020 people judge other people due to he colour of their skin.

I also find it difficult when a movement that raises awareness of this matter after a recent flashpoint is belittled by plenty of people on social media (not just on here).

 

You seem to be saying here that because the population of Britain was almost entirely white that the country country couldnt have been built by slaves.
Are you not getting that it's the WEALTH of the country that was based on the SALE of black slaves?

 

Good post.
My grandfather was starved out of Ireland - and then when he got to England there was a price to be paid to the Fitzwilliams for every ton of coal he dug out at Cortonwood.

Don’t tell me this country was built on the backs of black Africans.
People that don’t know their own history say things like that.

 

Virtue signalling!? You mocked me for “learning a new term” and now you’ve started using it yourself. Classic

 

It was a reply to the post above me, you utter buffoon.

The one where TekkyTyke said people need to stop virtue signalling.

 

Guy here saying the wealth of Great Britain was based on selling slaves.
Lol !!!
No ...... it wasn’t the ingenuity and hard graft of British people that sparked the industrial revolution that built the wealth of the country.
It was a few people buying and selling slaves in Africa that built this country.
Lol !!!!!