Little Britain and Come Fly with Me

Alanis will be along in a minute! isn't it somewhat ironic our right wing friends now choose to quote Orwell's 1984 after what we've witnessed first hand over the past 4 years.

im still waiting on a reply from yesterday you chose to ignore by the way....

 

Maybe some of our history need to be rewritten though.


The very ink with which all history is written is merely fluid prejudice.”
Mark Twain

 

Sorry Pompey not ignoring you I must have missed it whilst busy tearing my mate Fonzie a new arsehole. What was it you asked me ?

 

It doesn't matter me old fruit, its there in the thread and your notifications. im sure il remind you next time your point about JC was wrong.

 

There's Alanis again.

 

I’ve found it, I suppose the short answer is that despite his gains in 2017 he still lost, then lost again last year, I think if labour would have fielded someone like Starmer in 2017 things may have turned out very differently, I’m quite impressed with him so far.

 

Rhodesia is modern enough history that Bruce Grobbelaar played for them (once) and fought in the army when he was 19 (National service). After the civil war, Mugabe won and it was renamed as Zimbabwe in 1980.

 

Only joking pal, I read your post about your black brother in law being subjected to some racist ******** so I can understand why you get so upset about it. Keep smiling nip.

 

but ever labour leader apart from Blair in the last 50 years lost. what would Starmer have done in 17 that Corbyn and many others didn't or couldn't? and the main question which you never answered was what changed from 17 to 19?

 

Fair enough.

I apologise if I've been a cnt to you in the past - I sometimes get carried away. As you've obviously found out!

Happy to draw a line under our disagreements and handbags.

 

You know my thoughts on Corbyn and where I believe his sympathies lie. You also must know that I think he took labour too far to the left. I think a bloke with less of a controversial past who was willing to acknowledge and tackle antisemitism and who committed to carry out the electorates wishes on brexit may have done better. What changed was that he tried keeping a foot in both brexit camps, thus was perceived to have betrayed Labours traditional support and they lost confidence in him. What do you think changed ?

 

Wilson won the 2nd election in October 1974 - although with only a small minority - that was within the last 50 years. Technically, he also won (most MPs) the February 1974 election but didn't have an overall majority in Parliament.

 

Think it says more about you than them, have you lost your sense of humour? Haven’t you got some trains to spot?

 

I think the insinuations that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser and that he and the Labour party are anti semitic are absolute poppycock.
That being said i don't like him much and the success of making the above mentioned mud stick made him unelectable in my eyes.
I've said it before, Britain is not a socialist leaning country. I wish it were even though i identify as Liberal rather than socialist. A heavy percentage of the Labour vote aren't socialist, they just see the Tories as the party of the bosses and they (rightly) love the NHS.
There's one telling thing Cummins said in the speech posted on here. You can't just say the voting public are either left or right. some of those who vote Labour have right wing views on certain issues.
I'm hopeful Starmer makes them electable again because Boris is a car crash and presented with a far left opposition the Tories are likely to keep getting elected.

 

Good post that Churton and whilst I have alternate views on Corbyns sympathies I agree with much of what you say here.

 

Bloody hell, civility seems to have broken out on this thread. Anyway, I'm not going to dignify this with a Like but I'm sorry, @Fonzie, it did make me laugh.

 

Hurray. it's nice to see eye to eye.....ish now and again.

 

interesting theory:
1. You’re absolutely 100% correct he was a bit of a nob - but of course his predecessor was ridiculed for looking odd eating a sandwich. So how ‘uncontroversial’ would he need to be?

2. he should have sorted antisemitism, but is antisemitism in the Labour Party any worse than Islamophobia in the Tory party?

3. Makes no sense at all! Even if we accept that 52% of Labour voters are Brexiteers (as per the general population)*, how would they have got elected without the other 48% of their usual votes?

I was never a fan of Corbyn, but there’s no way a Labour Party with any leader could have won either of those elections under the Brexit cloud. It’s simply mathematically impossible.

* They’re not btw; if we acknowledge that an anti EU stance would generally be associated with a Conservative voter, and that about 2/3 of Tory voters are natural Brexiteers, that gives us an approximate 2/3 of Labour voters as remainers, so if Labour go Remain, with the right leader they might pick up enough Tory voters to get close to a majority, if they go Leave, they’ve no chance of picking up enough Tory voters to make up for the votes they’d lose.

Sitting on the fence might have looked stupid, but it was the best chance of keeping the traditional Labour voters, no chance of gaining any floating voters and eventually lost them votes. But not as many as if they’d gone leave or remain.

 

'Allowed themselves to be colonised?'

What next? Telling us the Jews 'allowed themselves' to be systematically rounded up and gassed?

 

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