Control of our Borders

I made a comment about what he had said in the past about his mum being racist. I asked Pompey to confirm that it was indeed him that said it. Only to be told to carry on digging, I’m deflecting, I’m racist, all the usual s.hite.

 

Yes, he holds all the cards. Can’t wait to see how that works out for us!

 

Interestingly it's the same so called political commentators who are up in arms about current trade talks who also jumped on the bandwagon that :-

As soon as we vote leave, we would have to introduce an emergency budget.... - didn't happen, just fear..
Remain would win anyway - didn't happen.
We would have a 2nd referendum and eventually remain to appease the minority - didn't happen..
Boris wouldn't be able to get the support to leave - ended up with another election returning a massive majority and we did indeed leave.

So latest predictions are that we won't agree a trade deal as we have to do exactly what we are instructed by the EU. Anybody who has ever been in a negotiation knows that things don't tend to move until the last minute, exactly like the scenario we faced with the withdrawal agreement. Let's wait and see what happens shall we when a deal is agreed..

As for the EU, I watched Barnier in his address the other day. It's a long time since I have seen such a prickly character handle questions from the public. He was so far up his own backside it was beyond belief. I member of the public asked a genuine question on the trade talks and he responds with a put down saying he knows exactly what the situation is cos he wrote it. Absolute creep, obviously out of his depth and under immense pressure.

Anyway, will bump this thread up again once the latest little bandwagon has been derailed and a trade deal is agreed.

 

i genuinely thought the others were predominately trading blocs, do any of them have a central parliament with sitting mp's?

 

100% agreed.

 

They are at various stages of development. The African Union (for example) has a commission and a parliament - based on the EU model - with the president being from Cameroon - and they are working towards universal suffrage to elect the members.

CARICOM has its own passport and single market, but is less politically advanced. ASEAN has a parliament, but it is weak with only consultative powers. MERCOSUR has a parliament but has issues around the elections of MPs (deadline is this year)

So, to answer your question - yes some of them do have parliaments with elected representatives and are working towards closer political and economic integration - although it could realistically take another generation or two to reach full maturity (the EU took nearly 70 years to get where it is now).

 

i did read a bit more into caricom, there is free movement of people but there are currently no rights regarding free movement solely for the purposes of residency or permanent naturalization or citizenship. If a person wishes to migrate from one CARICOM Member State to live in another he/she must apply for residency or citizenship in accordance with the laws of the host country.
Persons who are eligible for free movement of skills/labour must be engaged in some kind of legitimate economic activity. They must fall within one of the categories that have been approved for free movement,ie,university grads,musicians media workers and sports people, so although they do have a single market and as you rightly point out they are hardly a political union.

asean as you say is only really a consultative parliament as opposed to what the eu morphed into.

the south american trading bloc MERCOSUR isnt a political union,it is a common market

maybe these trading blocs do have grand visions of a central fedaral government but does this vision extend to the electorate ? who knows?

so really my initial post that says other countries and blocs dont need a political union to trade is correct and from what i can see the eu is actually unique in that it is both a trading and political bloc

in my eyes the future of the eu is as uncertain as the future of any possible further political union around the globe, the eu is seeing the rise of nationalism simply because of its current values and criteria and there is already unrest in the camp with regards to bailouts and who will fund what (in the aftermath of corvid), so only time will tell but for sure the next few years and particularly the next eu elections will make interesting viewing

for what its worth scoff i personally can see both sides of the argument with regards to the eu but my view, for all of my working life was to leave, i never trusted what the tories led us into , i feel strongly that the electorate were lied to during 1975 and i never got the feeling that the union was set up for the common man. In my eyes the referendum was long overdue and i would like nothing better than to see the whole union given the chance of a referendum just to see how the land lies because i honestly feel the the uk wouldnt be the only nation divided on its continued membership.

trading bloc,yes, political union,no.......... i do accept there are others who disagree but thats why we have democracy.