Masks in shops

Does that include the 200,000 tests that the government claimed but didn't happen?

 

By Christmas there will be 3 groups of people.

The afraid to go out cos they might get the disease and become agrophobic.

Those who want to go out and take every precaution under the sun to minimise the risk. Mask. Face covering. Biohazard suit. Bathing in sanitiser minimal human contact.

Those who want to go out and live a life as normal as possible in the circumstances and calculate the risk into their day to day regime.

 

Question, what will be the rules in respect of face coverings in the following indoor venues:

a) pubs and resturants

b) Cinema

c) Gyms

d) swimming pools

I feel there could be significant mixed messages here.

 

According to Texas Medical Association, going to a pub is the highest risk activity you can do. It scores a 9 (restaurant is 7, buffet is 8), and gyms and cinemas gets 8, but a swimming pool gets a 6.

https://www.texmed.org/uploadedFile...ses/309193 Risk Assessment Chart V2_FINAL.pdf

 

I suppose the working app is the major difference in Germany's case. Can't believe we dont have one yet!

 

It would have to be masks in all indoor places or no masks in any indoor places. Retail outlets will feel bullied if they have to police customers walking in a mask at a leisure pace around their shop, whilst someone can sweat and pant heavily in a gym without wearing a mask. Swimming pools you can share water with a large amount of different households, which is far worse surely than not wearing a mask.

Today is the lowest day since lockdown began and now is the time for masks?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-ne...-hospital-death-22347230#source=breaking-news

 

"If I had agoraphobia
And if I had claustrophobia
Trapped inside my porch
Things would be bleak
Especially midweek"
- Half Man Half Biscuit - "San Antonio Foam Party"

More seriously, we go out with the dog several times a day and sometimes further afield (was in Peak District on Saturday), but we have adjusted our lifestyle to reduce risk. We go shopping less (1 big shop and 1 smaller visit for fresh food), have had a lot less takeways and are not going to pubs/cafes or non-food shops at the moment - except for some DIY bits and pieces. Agorophobia could be a problem, but there are ways to avoid it.

 

Now, if only they didn't put chemicals in the water to kill bacteria....

 

And the best way to get more people out of the first two categories and into the third? A proper contact tracing system, with decent reporting that can give a clearer picture of where problem areas are.

But that's a bit too much like hard work for this Government, so they'll hope a £10 voucher can act as a cure for agoraphobia.

 

No idea for UK. But here's how it is in Germany, or at least in the state of Berlin:

a) No masks at your table but you do need a mask if you're ordering/paying at the bar or going to the toilet.

b) At all times except while sat in your seat.

c) Masks in all areas at all times, except while you're at a machine. All machines have to be adequately spaced apart to ensure social distancing. All machines must be cleaned with disinfectant afterwards too.

d) Masks at all times except while in the pool itself. Numbers allowed in pool at any one time are limited and social distancing must be maintained.

 

Have you met my mother-in-law?

 

Any app is irrelevant in this country because too many people will refuse to use it. Gaz from Grimey cannot allow the illuminati to know where he's been (despite the fact his phone pings off every mast and most stores/pubs/restaurants he uses

 

I think agrophobia and anxiety will be rampant. I get cabin fever if i don't get a walk every day but I know people who have barely been out their house despite there being little risk.

 

Let’s just hope those in the first two categories are tolerant enough to let those of us in the last category save the infrastructure that keeps them able to be ‘safe’.

 

A bit naughty using a weekend lag day to make your point. The average is still around 85 per day. You should wear a mask in busy indoor places. It isn't difficult and the responsible thing to do.

 

That works both ways. Until I read this thread I was quite happy with going out for a bit of shopping, social distancing wherever possible and wearing a mask for when other people got too close. Now it's been made clear to me that my mask is at best inadequate and possibly dangerous, I'm almost certainly wearing it wrong and not sanitising it enough and I may be doing myself long-term harm while contributing to a mental health epidemic and condoning an infringement of civil liberties. I'm going back to online shopping.

 

Do you see that happening?

Those who are exempt or refused will be become vilified and marginalised in society.

They might even knock up a little badge for them as well...

 

We havent seen the half of it.

Especially as the dark nights and bad weather creep up on us.

 

Took one out the other day, wore it on the bus journey I had to make. Not been wearing them in the supermarket though. Saw one bloke with his face mask though which looked filthy so my personal view is that they could cause more issues that the benefits they bring if they were all fresh / sterile.

Just a theory but if a person who has the virus but doesn't know about it, walks round all day with the mask on, breathing a concentrated volume of infected particles on to his mask. Unconsciously keeps adjusting the mask, touching their face, then walks into a shop and handles stuff on shelves browsing. Puts stuff back down with a concentrated viral presence on said items.. Where is the benefit. Same with a person who may have had finished shedding the virus the day before and wears the same mask to go out with. Virus won't have died off so the mask becomes an additional risk.

Only way they can be effective is for disposable ones on every single use. Yet people are making their own from internet patterns etc and re-using or buying designer ones, maybe washing em once a week storing the virus for it's life cycle on fabric. This virus from what I had read has it's lowest lifespan when not attached to anything, ie breathed into the atmosphere where it quickly dies.

Not convinced, mainly from knowing what general use from folk will be as above.

 

If you swim with your head under water you're doing it wrong