Wigan fans View on the Appeal

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  1. orsenkaht

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    EFL Insolvency Policy

    In all circumstances a sporting sanction applies in respect of an insolvency event (default 12-point penalty). The Regulation seeks to ensure that a Club cannot gain any advantage over other Clubs in the competition by not paying its creditors in full and on time, while also ensuring there is a deterrent in place for Clubs and their owners, from operating in a manner so as to cause insolvency. The EFL acknowledges it is a difficult time for any Club placed into Administration, particularly in the midst of COVID-19, but is mindful that its regulations are to be applied consistently and equally to all member Clubs irrespective of the circumstances.

    In the current case of Wigan Athletic, and, in accordance with EFL regulations, due to the Club being placed into administration after the fourth Thursday in March, the sporting sanction will take affect once the final League positions are known. If in the event the Club is relegated by virtue of their final position following the conclusion of the Championship season, then the deduction will apply in League One in 2020/21. However, if the Club is not in the relegation places following the final game of season, the sanction will be then be applied to their season 2019/20 total and final league standings amended as appropriate.

    A Club can appeal against a decision of the Board to impose a 12-point deduction under the EFL Regulation 12.3.10, and the appeal will be heard by an independent panel appointed by Sports Resolutions. That independent panel will determine whether the relevant Insolvency Event(s) arose solely as a result of a Force Majeure event, caused by and resulted directly from circumstances, other than normal business risks, over which the Club could not reasonably be expected to have controlled.

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  2. Stephen Dawson

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    I agree. Who do we summon the appeal panel, the EFL?
     
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    That's more promising because they were taken over during the pandemic.
     
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    It would have to be a judicial review of the appeal panel based upon a failure to follow it's own procedure (not a re-hearing on the merits of the case). As the panel is constituted by Sporting Resolutions (a not-for-profit funded by subscribing sporting associations) and will contain amongst others, prominent lawyers I would think it unlikely and we would probably be stuck with their decision. The EFL would be blameless, having correctly applied it's own policy prior to the other party appealing.
     
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    What do you think'll happen?
     
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  7. Farnham_Red

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    Really - I am fairly certain that if they do win their appeal we will most definitely be relegated - Unless the Wednesday verdict comes in this week with a points deduction
     
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    The key word is "solely". The pandemic affected every club but only one went into insolvency. I don't think the argument is a get-out clause and I think the administrators lose.
     
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    Loss of income between L1 and C?
    Selling players early/undervalued due to relegation?
    No guarantee we’d come straight up
    Whose to say we wouldn’t have used that extra 6 million to fund recruitment and as a result missed out on an opportunity of promotion to PL.

    As unlikely as some may be there are all possible scenarios
     
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    If you’re the administrators trying to sell the club you talk up the chances of the appeal succeeding to try and make it look more attractive to a buyer but you’re also gambling £500k on something no one else has ever managed to do. Presumably at the moment they have no income other than player sales and a buyer could think if they wait two weeks they could get the player for free. Shame the none football creditors are not pressuring them to save their money.
     
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    If that is the EFL’s stance it’s going to be a quick appeal. 500k for 5 mins in a court room. They have no case of force majeure. Living beyond their means and their sugar daddy has left them up the creak.

    I just hope the EFL extension paperwork backs up their statement. No loop holes!
     
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    There'll be some owners that would find league 1 more appealing, as the costs are so much lower, and more realistic to start again in a more sustainable model. The uncertainty this week won't be appealing to anybody.
     
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    To take your points in order
    1. Not Force Majeure - its hardly something outside the control of the company that owns Wigan Football club
    2. Could be Force Majeure - but as you say lots od reasons why thats a hard one to make stick
    3. Timing - none starter the wording in the EFL regs is quite clear and the normal playing season finished last week
     
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    This is the difference between administration and liquidation though, isn't it (I'm no expert on this)? In administration their duty is to trade the club, try and revive it and if possible, sell it on as a going concern. If it turned into liquidation, then their job would be to maximize the realizable assets and pay whatever they could to creditors. In the first scenario, an appeal makes more sense because as you say, the club would be more attractive in the Championship. In liquidation I think they'd struggle to justify the expense of the appeal.
     
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    It’s probably my pessimistic nature after following the Reds for 42 years but until it says Wigan have failed in their appeal i still doesn’t feel to me 100% that we’re still a championship club.
     
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    And the administration has to result solely from force majeure for them to succeed.
     
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    That would be my view as well, but I guess Wigan's lawyers will be going through looking for uncrossed T's and undotted I's.
     
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    Still saddens me though when I drive past where Nene Park was. They were a cracking little club in their non league days
     
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    Agreed, and I’m no expert either. They must think that despite the extra funding needed from a buyer for a Championship club the greater income makes it a justifiable expense. Maybe if they don’t have to cough up the whole amount before Friday they’ll re-think it. It’s typical that it’s us having to stress about this although if any supporters should know how to cope with worrying about relegation from the Championship it’s us with our history in the last ten years.
     

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