Barnsley Infection Rate

He also says most infections are spread from household to household transmission but gives no answer as to where someone catches it in the first place to spread it in a house.

 

I did say I didn't know his motives. I was talking more about how the presenters didn't even want to discuss it.
Lockdown was solely to prevent the overwhelming of our NHS, or so we were told.
It did it, it worked, it’s not now, nor ever was overwhelmed, it’s now positively underwhelmed, so why do we still have restrictions?
I can accept it if they are necessary, but no one is explaining it. What are the criteria for lifting the restrictions? Is it the number of cases that are worrying? It can't be hospital numbers as they are tiny.
It just frustrates me that we have a media that are banging on about cases and local lockdown rather than asking some serious questions of government.

 

It was nearly overwhelmed. Our ITU'S were full and being stretched and I know our hospital at one point in May had 20% of front line ward based staff off after testing covid positive (we normally run around 6% sickness). If lockdown had come a month later then we would certainly have been up **** creek. But now it's not a major issue in our hospitals as covid admissions have reduced massively as a consequence of lockdown and social distancing measures.
So I guess we are now in gamble mode. With how far we've come I'm certainly happy that people can go out socially for meals and drinks, that's what I'll be doing Saturday and Sunday. A healthy dose of consideration is all we need and then who knows: unrestricted pub crawl by boxing day .

 

Yeah the media seem to be in the pocket of the government because they get fed stories so won't want to upset them too much. Look at this about Barnsley having to keep an eye on infections.......

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/local-lockdown-warning-after-socialising-18798164

It's amazing the change in attitude because a few months back you hardly ever heard infections mentioned it was all about the deaths.

 

1. Even with the most simplistic analysis of that graph - i.e. just looking at the peaks - you are comparing this year's COVID deaths to nearly 30 years' flu seasons. Only 3 of those flu peaks come near the height of the COVID peak. In other words, COVID isn't just equivalent to an average flu season; it's comparable to the 1 in 10 worst flu seasons.

2. Except... the number of dead people isn't measured by the height of the peak, it's measured by the area under the curve. Even comparing by eye, it's not hard to see that the areas of even those top three flu peaks are quite a lot smaller than this year's COVID peak.

3. But anyway... this graph is comparing flu seasons where no extra health precautions were taken to this year's COVID outbreak where we essentially declared a national emergency and all stayed at home for three months. In other words, this graph is a big fat lie, because it's comparing apples to squid while pretending to be some kind of statistical truth. A flu season during which we took the same precautions as we have for COVID would be a tiny bump on that graph. We in fact have evidence for this from southern hemisphere countries where, because of COVID precautions, they have had no flu season this year.

 

A very reasoned response, so firstly thanks you.
Why do yo think we are seeing such low numbers in hospital and deaths but still high numbers of cases by comparison?

 

Possibly because the people who are mostly at risk are now aware (which they weren't when the virus was being spread indescriminately through January, February and into March) and are now taking extra care? Good question. I would hope that it could also be that the virus has become less potent.

 

According to the ONS we are averaging around 1000 deaths per week from flu and pneumonia in the U.K ,that number per week shows no sign of abating or dropping indeed in looks like the numbers are rising slightly per week
the numbers are fluctuating between around 920 + to 1000 + per week
looking at the individual numbers per week and adding them up it looks to be well over 50,000 for this year up to now.

 

i would have thought it would be a combination of things.
it has already taken the vast majority of people most vulnerable in society to it (as far as large numbers of deaths per week goes) together with the Flu and pneumonia this year
As people have said some strains may have weakened but that is not scientifically proven yet although some scientists are openly coming out and saying that.
also the more cases in hospitals around the world information and experience of dealing with it will be being shared of what treatment seems to be helping or not helping patients and other hospitals will be trying/trialling those methods to help there patients

there was a report on T.V of a hospital in Dallas where they had a 100 % Covid in patient non death rate.
They were giving them a combination of medicines which was allowing them to stop having to put there patients on ventilators.

 

Edit# also the treatment of covid in itu has come a hell of a long way.

 

We know from historical data that flu thankfully does not kill lots of people during our summer months as it does not have the conditions to thrive. Pneumonia probably accounts for 95% of those deaths.

 

You’ve made the common mistake of confusing correlation with causation.

 

They don’t get to ITU if they’re not ill enough to get admitted to hospital (or notice they’re even ill)

 

On the Barnsley issue of cases.
Wombwell is the hotspot at the mo. Given the fact it has probably the highest social interaction with more pubs open than anywhere else in the Barnsley district , Bar town of course.
Whilst on. did anyone hear the lady who lost her son to Covid. on radio Sheffield this morning. Heart wrenching. Wouldn’t wish her pain on anyone.
But to those who treat the Covid with total disdain. I hope you don’t have to suffer like this lady. You may well change your attitude a bit.

 

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/barnsley-has-the-highest-covid-19-rate-in-uk-3175262

Any idea why? The media have brought up a lot how a lot of the BAME community don't want the vaccine, but it's not really something Barnsley can bring up.

 

Could it be linked to the fact barnsley have some of the most congested classrooms in the UK ?

 

Plenty of areas you can go about in tarn and say ‘what lockdown?’
Don’t know the national figures and statistics for people following lockdown, but when I’ve been about for work it’s a lot more noticeable around tarn than most places just by first hand experience.

 

Is it? In my experience it really isn't. Where are you seeing a lot of people ignoring lockdown?

 

I don't know. Some good news though within care Barnsley has the 4th highest take up in the country.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/23/two-five-care-home-staff-vaccinated-areas/

 

Brazil health system has been overrun, the new variant is killing and crippling young people without other illnesses, clearly there are more virulent versions out there which are spread faster and are more deadly - but as we don’t have any other strategy other then vaccines we will eventually end up with another peak and more deaths unless we get everyone vaccinated and by some luck they remain 80% effective. People can close their eyes but with the governments pathetic track and trace system we are going to kill 10s of thousands more and be back round this merry-go-round next year.