2,988 More COVID cases in past 24 hour

Looks like DEETEE has just copied and pasted that from some anti-covid post on FB. I can back you up 100% that as usual our hospitals are over-subscribed. Patients are even fearful of leaving the wards to buy a paper or a drink in case they have no bed on return.

 

What a surprise when those in a position to have a public voice talk rubbish and don't mention the deaths.

 

So when you say as usual do you mean that's just what our hospitals are like all the time? So during the peak that's why other services had to be suspended to make room?
Genuinely asking as admittedly I don't know the answer.

 

There have been loads of news and media reports long before Covid Pandemic about the NHS in crisis and our ‘overrun hospitals’ and struggling to cope. Countless surgeries/ procedures cancelled and/or postponed including day surgeries. My dad had three operation cancelled about 6 months prior to Lockdown.

 

Yes I spend a lot of time dealing with the NHS with both my children. And I have a general idea that its overstretched to say the least. I was meaning more in terms of patients in hospital beds. Are we just normal again now or overstretched further due to the extra delays lockdown caused.

 

Six likes for this, I see this is the latest move by the Government, trying to pin the blame on young people. As if they haven’t had a raw enough deal with houses that take 87 years wages to afford, having the service industry where loads of them work taken away and their social lives wrecked, now we’re blaming them for being irresponsible and killing Granny.

Of course the young are more susceptible to catching it! They work ffs, in bars, and pubs and waiting in the restaurants that you’ve just directed 64 million extra people to, and have to commute on public transport while the old farts like us sit lounging in the garden on furlough or doing their professional job from their converted fourth bedroom. They live in shared accommodation! They actually have the gall to occasionally ******* "socialise"!

 

One of the worst things during this has been constant “blame” of spreading a virus you can do nothing about. You’ve been spreading them your entire life.
You were spreading COVID quite happily in Feb & Mar too.

 

I don't agree with what he says, but death increases and trends will always lag about 10-14 days behind cases. So it's misleading to say 3k cases but only 5 deaths because you're effectively comparing 2 different points in time.

 

Just another target to lay the blame with.

 

It is sadly. Other services did have to be suspended in many areas (but not essential one's). It is clear that there was a great fear that hospitals would be overwhelmed and the suspension of many general services was in part to stop members of the public entering a hospital and increasing the infection rate. Many, many staff contracted covid as a consequence of having to work in close proximity to each other and with their patients and this consequently added to the strain (off the top of my head my hospital had 16.5% off at it's worse when the natural ratio is around 5-6%). This impacts hugely when we are running on minimum staffing to start with.
But yes the bed situation is as it was. I have complained consistently to the CQC over the last 6 months about the sleeping of patients in tv lounges and even on mattresses on the floor to no avail.

 

Agree totally about the zero covid stance.

 

Just an observation. People can’t correlate the wearing of masks as a protection. But those wearing em are the more vulnerable. Less deaths.
Those not wearing em ( the invincibles) spreading Covid like wildfire. but Not dying. Makes sense to me if no bugger else.

 

The tests work by detecting the presence of a virus. In a similar way to a pregnancy test, false negatives are far more likely than false positives - otherwise if the tests are detecting something that isn't there, they are not fit for purpose.

As for Zero COVID, Taiwan seems to have managed it and their economy is currently predicted to grow 1.55% this year. This is a fall on previous predictions, but a damn sight better than the UK has done.

 

They've just said on ITV News that the average number of daily tests has only risen slightly since June and it doesn't explain the rise in positive cases.

 

It goes against the ‘perceived wisdom’ of the Covid experts to point out that the sign of success is to have low fatalities AND a strong economy, and that many countries have managed that.

they like to overlook we’ve killed more people than almost all comparative nations, by believing we could have saved the economy by killing a few more more. Unable to see the obvious that we could have killed less and done better in the economy too.

 

Not sure who you’re referring to, but I’m certainly not advocating killing more people. The lockdown has cost far more lives than it’s saved, there’s absolutely no evidence to show that on a net basis the lockdown has saved lives other than the fantastical predictions of a guy who’s both empirically and ethically been completely discredited.

 

France passed 2000 cases 3 weeks ago. Now over 7000 daily. Small increase in hospitalisations. Still single figure deaths.

 

Wind thi fkin neck in, just stating a fact.

 

25 today.

 

Another one from Labour pushing Zero Covid. Is this Labour's stance?
I don't think they're fully grasping what zero COVID means for all cause mortality (aside from the fact that zero COVID is itself impossible).