10pm Curfew

What a load of utter tinfoil nonsense. New world order can be used to refer to the new order of the world (i.e. changed circumstances) rather than reptilian paedos.

As for Bill Gates, he has said that effective vaccination programs are a way to combat overpopulation. However what the conspiracy idiots fail to appreciate is that he's not talking about sterilising people via vaccinations - it will reduce overpopulation because if parents in third world countries can be relatively sure their children will survive they won't have so many in a short space of time just in case some die of disease.

You should watch Utopia (the old c4 drama not the new amazon one). You'd go into conspiracy meltdown if you saw it.

 

That's not New Zealand, nor is it Australia, the two countries I mentioned, which have, as I said, isolated themselves from the rest of the world, and are in the process of running their economies into the ground. Whether that's an accurate definition of bankrupt doesn't concern me, the sentiment remains, they're financially screwed, and that's no kind of success that it's reported to be. If they wish to get out of that predicament they will need to open back up at which point covid will be exactly the same problem as elsewhere, but the misery they will have inflicted on their population prior to the misery of the virus will make it feel much worse.

 

One of the biggest stumbling blocks to defeating this virus is self interest. Everyone must know that the best way to reduce transmission is to keep contact with other people to the bare minimum. There surely can't be anyone who is so incredibly stupid, that they don't comprehend that. Some people are letting their judgement become clouded by a desire to continue doing their usual thing. My income is down 50% because of the pandemic, but it hasn't stopped me respecting the virus and doing the right thing.

So when you are shown the evidence, you still refuse to believe it. Do your credibility a favour and stop trying to deny the undeniable. It may be hard to swallow for you, but there simply can't be so much non-essential mixing allowed to happen at this moment in time.

 

Mate we've got to stop turning on each other, it's no one's fault and most good businesses have put measures in place. The track and trace system is the core issue, data from that is a mess. Government policy is all over the shop, they've helped non of us long term. We all want to be safe and financially secure and track and trace though not a silver bullet would have helped us all.

 

I'm talking about the figures Scoff linked to earlier, which has been sent from Whitty to 149 MPs.

 

That's not the way I read it. It's only showing the settings that can be acted on, but the percentages relate to all settings i.e. things like schools and workplaces are part of the overall equation but have been filtered out.

 

Agreed. I think I can't make my mind up whether Pontyender's post was sanctimonious or patronising or both. Sorry PE nothing personal but in my opinion that's not the way to engage someone who has a reasonable argument and has a different view on the data presented.

 

The 'Infection Events' that result in the most Covid-19 cases, by far? Watching TV or eating dinner with your family or maybe sleeping with your partner. If you really want to protect yourself, don't go home or don't ever go out, nor can the people you live with. And if you choose the don't go out option, don't take deliveries of any kind. It's ludicrous, of course it is, but it's also true. Other than complete isolation, as an individual, a family, or even a nation, which leads to abject misery, we don't control the spread of viruses with our current technology. We've had some success with certain types of virus via vaccination, but not with respiratory infections. We may develop a vaccine, but there is a huge misunderstanding of what a vaccine actually does. That is not the fault of the populace, it's huge deficiencies in those that are supposed to disseminate relevant information. A vaccine does not fight a virus. It stimulates your immune response to fight that virus. If your immune response is already weak, it will not help. There is nothing there to stimulate. There has never before been a virus we have encountered where the correlation between weakened immune systems (through age or disease) and susceptibility to the effects of the virus is so stark. It's a straight line at 45 degrees. A vaccine will not help the people vulnerable to the virus. It just won't. A vaccine will mean that a vulnerable person is less likely to encounter a less vulnerable person with the virus and is therefore less likely to contract the infection. But the efficacy of the best vaccines for respiratory diseases isn't all that hot. The very best immunity to a respiratory virus for a healthy human is to have already had it. That's not 100% either, but it's streets ahead of a vaccine.

 

Thanks. I was trying my best to be, as Loko always is when engaging with me.

 

Great post.

 

"Call it whatever you like, but I'm going to call it what the Facebook nutters do."

I'll fetch my tin hat for when you bring up Agenda 21.

 

Oh come on.

 

I wish I was as brilliant, witty and clever as you, not everyone can be amazing sadly.

 

Most people who have been about on the Internet know that 'deep state' is code - nobody uses it just because it's easy shorthand.