No deal Brexit it is then

There's an extremely deep trench in French waters that supposedly produces amazing cod. I was talking to few French fishermen they don't over fish there due to fish caught from that location brings top dollar.
Best places in the world fish markets they fascinate me. I love fish and working in France occasionally means i get to sample quite a bit and their plonk.
My Barnsley French though only seems to only work in certain places.

 

It does but the products fall under ECAA regulations. Basically best of both worlds in many people's eyes. Doubt we'd get those terms due to the complex link we have with EU and being founding members.
Oh and government won't want them due to free movement of people attached to it.

 

I'm not certain ( I admit) what you're driving at there...Britain, Iceland and Norway signed a continuity agreement last year.

 

Yep, we like cod and haddock more than most lol! Like Tekky says its strange because we have so many different varieties of tasty stuff.

 

Nt

 

Iceland and Norway are both members of the EEA, and Iceland is in Schengen. They have favourable trading terms with the EU. if we leave without a deal, we'll be dealing on WTO terms.

Last year I had to bite my tongue at a colleague banging on about how little of their imported shopping came from the EU No thought that those imports were into the EU, on deals negotiated by one of the worlds largest markets.

We currently export fish to Iceland with a 0% tariff and import it from them at 3.5%, on WTO terms this will be over 10% both ways. If the entire of our fish exports become 10% more expensive, do ya reckon the french and spanish will still want to buy them?

 

so all we need now is to find someone to buy our fish

 

You never read the Referendum Act then. You don't know what you voted for.
The law allowed a vote on a deal, which was supposed to be in place before the vote.
If the vote had been legally binding rather than advisory it would have been over turned

 

Why wouldn't they buy the fish they like to eat?...WTO fish tariffs range from 0-25%, most of the fresh unprocessed types are in the 3-5 % range, hardly going to break the bank, particularly if the Euro rises in value to Sterling.

 

The Chief Exec of the Scottish Fisherman's Federation seems to be a lot less concerned than you....writing in The Guardian.

The UK should not be “frightened to death” of the trade tariffs that could be introduced after Brexit as they may not prove to be a disaster, the head of the Scottish fishing industry has said.
Bertie Armstrong, chief executive of the Scottish Fisherman’s Federation, told the Commons Brexit select committee that the fishing sector stood to see a doubling or more of its catch when Britain took back control of its waters.
He said the World Trade Organisation tariff on fish was between 5% and 10%, while the pound had dropped by almost 20% against the euro after the EU referendum.
“Let us not be frightened to death of tariffs at all: they may be consumed in the noise of currency fluctuation and some small tariff may not be disaster,” he said.
“We must very much change the rhetoric of ‘we must be in the single market, we must be in the single market.’ We don’t need a single market, we need an adequate market.”

 

Which particular Referendum Act are you referring to?
The 2015 EU Referendum Act title was
"An Act to make provision for the holding of a referendum in the United Kingdom and Gibraltar on whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union."
Which seems to be pretty clear.

Bearing in mind the UK has never held a legally binding national referendum your comment seems unnecessary.

 

One thing about tariffs . People on here banging on about 10% or whatever more expensive at the Point of Sale i.e.. to the consumer is misleading and incorrect. The tariffs are on the IMPORT price. Much of the cost to consumers is the actual markup so an item costing, say, 50p per kilo attracts an import duty at 10% i.e. 5p If so costs the importer/wholesaler 55p. If for example the markup is 500% by the time it reaches the PoS then it does not mean £2.50 becomes £2.85.

In any case, a lot of stuff is either the same tariffs and some imports actually lower under WTO ( people seem to forget the EU itself is 'protectionist' favouring EU members but treating 2nd World countries (as the UK will be ) less favourably)

The biggest problem is not the tariffs but the extra administrative overheads in setting up the systems to cope with all the changes. However that SHOULD be a short term issue and medium long term once things are sorted , like any change, it will settle down.

 

Y see this is the problem.

I appreciate that you’re not in the country, so I’ll point it out. Brexiteers whove been banging the drum that everything will ‘settle down’, and that importantly we should ‘believe’ in the ‘country’ who then turn that into blaming ‘renoaners’ for not loving the country are making some incorrect assumptions.

Because the fact is we’re being run by charlatans who have no idea what the size of the task is, let alone how to manage it. We don’t hate the country, we distrust those in charge, not just for ideological reasons, but because they keep providing us with reasons not trust them.

Their paymasters have realised all it takes to cover their tracks is a series of dead cats. So they sp unk 12bn of our taxes on track and trace that doesn’t work, but shift the blame to ‘us’. They mismanage the whole C19 fiasco and turn the national conversation to Migrants crossing the channel. Etc etc.

our fears for a post Brexit Britain are that the poor will be made to pay ever more for the fu ckups of the rich, and blame will lie at the feet of some made up ‘enemy’. And these theories are based on the evidence of the last 10 years.

 

They might not fancy fish that’s been stuck in a two or three day queue to cross the channel though. They might be persuaded to pay more for top quality, but old stock? Not so much.

 

So how about, as 'an expert' you your superiors and subordinates stop constantly referencing what disaster it is and willl be and start coming up with solutions. The most complex computer programmes basically boil down to multiple switches which are either 'on' or' off. ALL the quoted problems are man made, attitudes,egos and politics. Logistics companies trade efficiently Worldwide. Stuff is shipped and delivered in a timely manner around the Globe There are no insurmountable problems to any of this "sh*tshow". I don't know how old you are but, we have already discussed how trade operated well enough pre-EU and whilst things are much more complex, terrorism was just as big an issue then (e.g. IRA) , as it is now and all processes were none centralised and paper based. Only Ferries / Air Freight linked Goods traffic between UK and the continent before the tunnel. None of the predicted chaos and delays existed then. Technology and system advances can and should actually make things better and more efficient than they were then. It is strange how the EU is vaunted as making things simpler as members but in fact has resulted in layers and layers of machinations that in fact created problems and difficulties where they did not use to exist.

 

Unfortunately, this explanation, as thorough

chocolate.

 

Get off your high horse. I know exactly what I voted for thank you. It was to Leave the EU. If that takes a no deal form then so be it.

This you did not know what you voted for BS...Just turn it round, you do not know or cannot stop the ongoing continuous EU integration, loss of vetoes until they are history etc..

Plus I'm pretty sure the bs about advisory would have been sour grapes if the boot was on the other foot. At the end of the day our PM made it clear that this vote was a once in a lifetime vote and that it would be taken as the instruction for them to implement. No two ways about it.

Not really any more to say on the subject, we'll never agree so enjoy your day.

 

our PM wasnt the only one to make it clear that this was a once in a lifetime vote,all the party leaders consistently reminded us that this was the case

the question was in leave or remain,it could not have been any simpler,there was no where on the ballot sheet that asked us to select what kind of deal we got,.. ..

 

Yes, but have you noticed the difference in Michael Gove as no deal gets nearer? Cos I have!

 

It never lists on any ballot sheet what policies are, so this point is incredibly stupid. That's what campaigns are for. And the leave campaign was always based on a deal. It was never based on no deal.