Police were in the Market Kitchen last night

School across road from me, NO social distancing at all. Parents all congregating together, walking, talking and same with lots of kids when they come out of school, they obviously don't think it can happen to them!

 

That's every school I've drove past to be honest. They may have social distancing in the actual classrooms but not outside and in primary schools I've seen the teachers choose to cram the kids together while theyre waiting for collection.

 

It's not just the vulnerable that are at risk though is it see my earlier post about the 33 year old fitness instructor who was as fit as a fiddle until he caught Covid the disease ironically he'd spent all summer telling his social media followers didn't exist. It completely trashed his heart and now he's not telling anybody anything in person because he's DEAD. I have an in law who is a nurse at St James in Leeds she worked in A&E until Covid so she's used to seeing some truly devastating things but after spending time on the Covid ward she was wrecked because of the workload and amount of deaths. Her exact words about Covid were young or old healthy or unhealthy it makes no difference if the virus gets hold of you unless your very lucky it's death or severe after effects for a very long time. All we had to do this Summer and Autumn was be sensible and follow the advice sadly too many were too selfish to do this they knew better than the experts they were going to do whatever they wanted have parties ignore social distancing go aboard on holiday and I include Boris and co in this. That's the reason we are in the situation we are in that's the reason pubs restaurants cinemas shops and their suppliera are in financial trouble and the economies trashed and jobs are being lost not because we are having to protect the vulnerable because they refuse to protect themselves but because we couldn't just for a few months follow a few rules and manage without a few niceties.

 

We never used to carry a face mask with us but we do now , so its no problem to carry some form of ID surely

 

But we DID close down. The vast majority of people did follow the rules. It still happened.

As I've said many times, the number of people with the virus in January in the UK was zero. By march we had temporary morgues and field hospitals. If we got it down to zero again why wouldn't it increase? Why would everything we know about biology and viruses suddenly not apply?

 

If it's that wide spread why are the numbers of those dying under 60 without underlying health conditions so low?
There is little or no evidence that most lockdown restrictions are effective in bringing infections under control.
Especially true for closing schools, but also hospitality, gyms, rule of 6. Even if there is some short term effect, not clear they help at all in the long run.
The costs of lockdown measures are truly astronomical: economic (livelihoods destroyed, unemployment, tax receipts), social, psychological, health, education etc.
Given their limited (possibly zero) effectiveness, lockdown restrictions are not a proportionate response.

 

This is what I don't understand. I have heard several people on here tell me their wife, aunt, cousin, brother, friend etc is a nurse and sees dozens of 30 year olds die on each ward every day from covid (exaggeration) and yet the figures show this is simply not true.

 

The vius doesn't move.

It's the people who move it.

 

I'm a married person living alone. What are my options?

 

Get drunk every night. Eat junk food in your pyjamas. Watch a decent movie without interruption. The possibilities are endless.

 

So your arguement is then although between January and March we went from zero cases to emergency temporary hospitals and morgues and tens of thousands of deaths because we did nothing to try to surpress the virus we should do that again just let it rip through the population no matter what the consequences are. You say the vast majority obeyed the rules they probably did theyre not the problem neither is old Doris in the Care home it's the completely selfish moronic minority that didn't follow the rules and still ain't the morons that walk round Tescos and Asda without a mask while buying the booze for their budgies birthday party or whatever excuse they've come up with to try and justify the piss up they and their moronic friends just can't live without. The morons that packed out Skegness but thought that because they were at the seaside social distancing didn't matter because Covid knows we are on holiday so won't infect us. The lock down did work it surpressed the virus the problem is Boris lifted across the whole country at the same time despite the fact in some areas it was still rife but we might have got away with that **** up if only the morons could have just controlled themselves for a few months sadly they couldn't and you know what the most ironic thing is the morons that ignored the rules are the ones who are bleating most about the reintroduction of them and the ones who'll probably ignore them again.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way, but would you please consider the use of paragraphs?
As to the actual context I'm confused.
The lockdown worked?
But then the "morons" who ignored the lockdown spread the virus and will continue to do so. Unless we lockdown again, which they will ignore anyway? Is that it?

 

This is great. Ask Loko for all your Covid queries. Is it me that has to be in Tier One or the household I form a bubble with, or both? Because I'm dividing my time between 2 houses at the moment, both of which are empty apart from me but they're in different tiers.

These simple rules get complicated very quickly, don't they?

 

The cost of just letting it rip would be even greater there is growing evidence that while Covid 19 might not kill the younger generations as readily as it does the old the long term effects caused by what's called long Covid do affect the young. The arguement that we shouldn't take any action to try and stem the virus because it only kills old people is immoral. But who am I to argue with the eminent virologists and economists on here who know better than the combined knowledge and expertise of the government's sage commitee and the many health care professionals up and down the country who are begging people to just follow the rules for all our sakes. It's quite simple Boris will have to impose a national lockdown and it will probably be over Christmas because by that time because people can't or won't control themselves and follow rules the hospital's and morgues will be over flowing and that lockdown won't be for weeks it'll be until we have a vaccine so yes the economy will be trashed jobs will be lost. But Wayne and Tracy will still think their house parties were worth it because well granny might have died after Tracy visited her and gave her Covid but well she was old so that's alright and her best mate Sharon will be alright using the mobility scooter she now needs to get around because Covid trashed her lungs. Boris could and should have followed the advise sage give him three weeks ago and ordered a two week lockdown he chose instead to listen to Sunak and Demonic and plough on and we are about to pay the price for that and which ever way it goes it will be a large price both financially and medically

 

Joking aside, I'm glad to hear you're able to see your Mum again. Best take advantage of that opportunity before things change again. I'm taking the view that I should stay on my own wherever I am and I'm not meeting anyone else socially, which isn't too much of a hardship for me as I'm an antisocial barsteward at the best of times. I still found full-on quarantine an uncomfortable experience though, which is a shame as if things stay how they are now then post-brexit I'm going to be spending 4 months a year doing that.

 

I think you underestimate how sloppy the majority of people are with following the rules and the effect this has. A lot of the mask wearing is laughable and few seem to know how far 2 metres actually is, never mind stick to it. It's little wonder the restrictions aren't having the desired effect. I see few taking it as seriously as those in my circle. It isn't difficult to keep away from folk if you really want to. Some can just seem to blot it all out and carry on as normal.

 

Those “specialist“ internet sites?