Honestly based on previous pandemic timescales. Black Death was ~4 years (in Europe), Spanish Flu was over 2 years, The Great Plague was ~18 months in the UK and 3-4 years in Europe. With modern travel and the interconnected world, I expect faster global spread than those previous diseases - and that increases chances for mutation into a less harmful form - and medical advances increase the potential for a vaccine or more effective treatments/cures. Whether a vaccine is possible or not is up for debate, but that would probably be the quickest route to the activities we are missing. I currently think life will be back to some degree of normality around mid-late 2022 (for football maybe the start of the 22/23 season), but would rather err on the side of caution for my own mental health and be pleasantly surprised. It was never going to be 2-3 months, and very unlikely to be under 18 months without enforcing effective quarantine and stopping community spread. It is also unlikely to stretch out much beyond 4 years based on the timescales of previous pandemics - although AIDS has arguably been rumbling on for 40+ years.
No I didnt attack you - I just stated if you are at home all the time with just a very occasional trip out to buy food - how can you possibly know that the lockdown is being ignored. I think its a fair question. I give up - Schools and colleges were closed people told to work from home - infection dropped, leisure industry opened people went on holiday - infections stayted low all the way to September Then schools reopened - students sent all over the country people told to go back to the office -infections take off its so obvious I dont know how to make it any clearer - look at the plots @dreamboy3000 has posted in the thread like this one Now explain to me again why its people going on holiday and to pubs to blame because to me it looks like people going to school and work oh and people with covid being discharged from hospital to care homes
I’m not getting involved on either side but to help with the misunderstanding he meant how did you know people were carrying on as normal if you were in your house (apart from when at Tesco).
Not wishing to be argumentative here but your calling people travelling abroad selfish. I went but was carefull,wore a mask and kept away from crowds there's only been 44 covid cases registered in the whole year on planes but you will go sit in a packed pub. I'm just saying that everyone has there own agenda I've not been to a pub or restaurant since beginning of march so is there any difference don't think anyone's broke the rules if they work within the guide lines
sorry my misunderstanding I see your point, because from my house I can see the trail behind my house which was full of people every day, in Tesco I didn’t see a single mask until it became law and even then most don’t wear them. Since lockdown ended I haven’t seen rules followed with most just acting like they would have last summer and regularly ignoring requests in places to wear a mask, walk one way, wash hands etc. I wasn’t sat inside with my windows blacked out, I could see many many examples of people doing what they wanted and hear neighbours having parties. I’ve also got examples from friends who saw similar stuff across Barnsley and in Sheffield
If you did go to a pub you would be surpised at how much has changed - I dont doubt there are isolated exceptions that ignored the rules but I havent seen one I have been in several pubs in recent weeks - tables well spaced only table service so the only time you move around is to get to and from your table and to go to the bog masks worn when not sitting at a table - to be honest I feel less safe in Waitrose where distancing is impossible
I think the argument is that going on holiday is beyond non essential but obviously I agree the guidelines told you it was okay and from what you’ve said you followed the rules. A lot didn’t, I saw countless photos on Twitter on planes where almost everyone had their mask off etc
think it depends on the pub, im no longer isolating and went to a pub on Friday, said pub was asking people if they were in the same household whilst hinting to them to say yes, and then laughing and going to get their drinks order. They were very loosely following track and trace just asking tables to do it, with no proof it was being done. And they were not enforcing mask wearing when going to toilet etc. Before this month I hadn’t been asked to fill in track and trace once in any restaurant or pub
outside tables had groups of ten lads in their work overalls drinking together with more joining them throughout the 2 hours I was there also
On our plane everyone wore a mask you weren't allowed to que for toilets, on landing we had temperatures taken,shops took your temperature before you could enter and sprayed your hands,everyone had to wear masks outside. Was I 100% safe, no. but as safe as I could be there's obviously numpties/rule breakers everywhere we have to live our lives responsibly, I wouldn't go in a pub as I wouldn't consider that as essential but wont condone others. You could spend the rest of your life looking out of the window
no doubt examples going both ways, your plane may have followed all rules whilst another plane followed none. Same thing for pubs. As you say people want to live their lives but the rules being broken by many is why this will drag out for years potentially
We booked an holiday.( not a package1) prior to Covid being on the radar. Stood to lose a lot of money. I have worked all through the pandemic and still do. ( key worker) I am in the amber category. Booked in an Apartment complex. Unable to receive a refund. Unable to change dates. So went along with government guidelines. We were in a bubble as a family. We stood by all the rules of that country. The guidelines were followed to the letter by all in the resort. ( far better than the folk in this country. Not moaning about having to wear masks. Social distancing.) A Covid rate that was so low it didn’t have 1 death and less than 10 cases. You can call it selfish whatever you like. But the guidelines were followed as instructed. Anyone who booked an holiday after Covid took hold. Took on the knowledge of no insurance etc. Not something I would have done. I didn’t in my mind put anyone at risk no more than I do now. Having to work and do the basics.
Hmm well I cant argue if you have been to ones flouting the rules - all I can say is my experience of pubs around where I live in Surrey and also when I was away in Sedbugh a few weeks ago is definitely the opposite
I get it, and it’s hard to say what I’d have done in the same situation, it’s a lot of money to lose and no holiday etc. I just feel a lot of people who went on holiday likely didn’t follow rules based on what I saw on Twitter but obviously loads will have followed them and been careful like yourself
I went a bit OTT saying selfish. I think the government should have taken the choice away and reimbursed people who had holidays planned/booked.
I think it’s the pubs who are desperately trying to get money in the till before any further lockdown and don’t expect to get caught, the small amount of fines given to pubs would suggest they are right. I suspect a lot more pubs are looking the other way and choosing to not ask certain questions which is admittedly a shame. From a business standpoint I understand it but obviously disagree with it. It’s happening a lot in Sheffield from what my mates are telling me
Same, bad choice of wording. I don’t want to offend anyone who went on holiday and followed the rules to the T
Do you mean those areas of Europe where the Covid secure guidance is a level up from what we have here? Where there were less cases than here? Do you mean those holidays? Or do you mean holidays to Cornwall, which hasn't yet seen a massive second spike despite the fact that thousands upon thousands flocked there throughout the Summer. I'm not sure you're grasping this at all well. Education opened up. Offices opened up. Care homes continued to be treated with contempt. They're also not at peak numbers again, or even almost there.
I hope I'm right in thinking you work in the pub trade. What is a substantial meal? Will pubs get round the rules by drafting up menus in the next few days?
I must also state that my hols were booked 12 month in advance or I most likely wouldn't have gone I also wouldn't have gone if I'd stayed in a hotel I was also covered by insurance
