A bit radical but....

You've got to acknowledge when citing covid deaths though that the figures have been significantly reduced through lockdowns and restrictive measures in many parts of the world. You could also argue that the total worldwide figure is relatively small in terms of population however (deeply saddening nonetheless) and our lives are being impacted on unnecessarily as a consequence.
I know many of my colleagues in the nhs are currently struggling mightily though. If I recall rightly RDH had 600 staff off through illness or who had contracted covid or who were self isolating a couple of weeks ago. Our health service is pretty much at breaking point as it stands.
So the best way forward is?
I really have no idea.

 

Yes , correct mate

 

No because it's true. People die. Is anyone on here immortal? I'm certainly not. It's heartbreaking when it happens but you will never prevent it from happening and it's something we all have to accept as a reality of being alive in the first place.
I'm not suggesting that anyone who loses a loved one gets over their loss, i mean we bet to get over or get passed this shocking omg people die attitude that we seem to have adopted regarding covid (but not other illnesses).

 

Percies. How many more times do I need to say it.

 

The government have done enough radical ideas like locking down healthy under 60s....

 

Where does, risk yours and other people’s lives for a plate of half price fish and chips fit in the stupidest ****’ list?

 

And does that apply when people die unnecessarily due to the incompetence of others? Cos if it does you going to hear things like “ My coach crashed and killed 27 people because I didn’t maintain the brakes, but hey, people die, get over it” much more than you do now.

 

No rise in suicides according to the Samaritans.

 

It means as a society we accept that some coaches will crash and people will die.

 

Can someone please explain the (il)logic of this....?

Son in Law, Daughter and nearly 4 year old Grand daughter.
Daughter working 4 days a week from home one day at her office for team meetings with social distancing and protocols that she set up.
Grand-daughter goes to nursery 3 days a week other 2 days either at home or with her Grandma (bubble)
Son-in -law assistant head at a Junior Academy school. In his class his TA tested positive...kids sent home to isolate. He has to go to school as " he had socially distanced from the TA". What about all the surfaces and materials that she would have touched during the day that he would also have made contact with? Also Time spent in staff room, common shared areas by both and other staff not necessarily at the same time but again, surfaces and objects touched. Admittedly he is in school using distance learning to teach his class but there are still other staff and kids in the building. Am I missing something? Kids (low risk of catching/spreading Covid) sent home to isolate but adults still in school.

 

I've wiped all surfaces after use, kept apart from people and worn masks when I couldn't.

Tbh, if he's only doing distance learning then he would be better at home but I've a feeling his job entails more than that.

 

Something else to consider is the Covid-19 deaths are deaths with Covid-19, not necessarily of. Many were already extremely ill. No one dies with suicide.

 

Very surprised by that Tweet from the Samaritans. They regularly Tweet that there is no evidence for the claim that the suicide rate has increased during lockdown. They're right, there's no official data on it at all. The statistics from 2019 are still be published and analysed. They have strict guidelines on how they believe suicide should be reported and always cite official sources. This Tweet appears way off piste for them.

https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/

On a related note, does anyone else find it a little weird that the data on most causes of death, like suicide, aren't available until the following year after the data has been verified and analysed, but with Covid-19 we get a daily update?

 

Getting a bit ‘Lizard People’ there, Jay.

 

Well I can't find any suicide data for 2020 but I can find covid data for yesterday. If that makes me a lizard...

 

Yes some of them may have been ill, but not necessarily illnesses that were going to kill them.

You know as well as I do that the stats needed a simple parameter, and they chose ‘died within 28 days of a positive test’.

Many people who die of C19 die later than 28 days, so the ‘official’ stats are known to be wrong from both directions.

I like to take a pragmatic view and say that the gaunt expression on my paramedic mates face tells a story. Someone who spends his life dealing with critically ill people is genuinely upset by the things he’s seeing with this.

I’ve 2 sisters in their 60’s both overweight, one with COPD, and both who’ve probably got 10-20 years of life to look forward to. But this disease would almost certainly kill them. And if it did; plenty would brush them away because ‘underlying conditions’.

 

No because we need to stop the spread of the virus now, not in a years time when it will be far too late. Suicide isnt contagious, it relates a lot of other problems.

 

There is nothing callous about my post so don't make it to be so. I'm well aware people die of Covid-19 and I'm well aware of the misery and upset it causes. My post is a comment on the nature of reporting. And no, I haven't got a better way, but that doesn't make it accurate.

 

I'd be interested to see a chart that shows a correlation between the announcement of daily deaths and the reduction in the spread of a virus. Have you got a link?

 

If I wanted to accuse you of being callous Jay I wouldn’t have picked this post

The fact is there isn’t a perfect way of measuring it live with the limited data available, so we get what we get, enveloped in caveats and nuanced explanations that many people don’t understand or even acknowledge.

The government have made a sh 1t job of this, I have no idea what could have been done better other than mass testing which is what I was saying in March and April. That ship sailed.