Might stir up a sh*tstorm with this one but here goes....

Does he live in Italy? He’s never mentioned it.

 

Yes, for many it has. The scheme/s were changed as well. You pay more in and get less out. They also changed the retirement age. The PCS union won a court case recently regarding paying too much pension and the legality of moving people either partially out or fully out of one scheme into another. Unsurprisingly this Govt are seemingly ignoring this. I joined the Civil Service in 2003 from Ventura in the Dearne Valley. I took a drop in wages but something I was prepared to do to be able to enjoy the job security of the Civil Service’ lol. I transferred my 2 and a half years of Next Pension contributions over to the Civil Service Pension scheme which bought me 15 months worth, Like I’ve already said my Mineworkers Pension has enabled me to make the decision to retire from the Civil Service as I wouldn’t be able to retire on this pension scheme alone

 

Why the the toe the line quote? If you’re expressing an opinion then expect to be challenged don’t moan and whine abart it Trump style .
The unions never ran the country that was media spin every time a union had a victory .

 

How old are you.? Do you not remember the strikes that bought about the 3 day week power blackouts and fuel shortages and brought down the heath Government? The unions were pretty powerful back then. Ford workers in Dagenham, were forever coming out on wildcat strikes. Our neighbour worked there I was only very young at the time but he was the dad of a friend and I remember he was at home a lot more often than my dad was. I did not know why at the time being too young to know about such things. they may not have run the country but they had a huge impact on people lives both good AND bad

 

The strikes were brought about by the Government not paying a living wage .
It’s marvellous how you always side with the government .
The workers this the workers that never even contemplating people’s livelihoods and the reason they had to strike as a last resort as negotiations and work to rules were dismissed .

 

I’m not the one bairning. Poor retort. You must try harder.

 

Think the word was Hate.
Another one who shifts stance to suit, you really take the biscuit.

 

Unions were and always will be needed whilst the establishment deliberately suppress wages. The working people would be doing 60 hour weeks with no holidays if it hadn't been for the trade unions.

 

I'm old enough to remember the miners strikes of both 1972 and 1974 - how could I possibly not - my father was a miner. As I recall that Heath thought he was calling the bluff of the unions.... thing was that the country thought he (Heath) was not up to the job.

The fact that the country did not have enough fuel to generate electricity was hardly the fault of the unions - the fault, in my book was down to the management of the electricity supply system; we simply did not have a balance of fuels to generate electricity. The country had the ability to generate electricity from coal oil and nuclear - did we have the capability to switch from oil to coal or from nuclear to oil? It is my assertion that the country did not - hardly the fault of the unions.

I'm also old enough to remember that there was an outcry from the public in general over the poor wages paid to the coal miners. Even after the hard won pay rises in the early seventies there were vacancies galore in the coal industry - did you know this? Again hardly the fault of the unions was it? The only way to attract manpower and hence being able to increase coal production was to increase wages to a level that makes the most unattractive of jobs attractive is simply to pay the appropriate wages.

 

One of the strikes at Dagenham brought about the equal pay act - this is not a one way street, and we don't live in a world where wonderful employers are being held to ransom by powerful unions.

In fact since 1980 the share of the worlds resources going to the rich has exploded, whilst the share going to the average worker has shrunk massively.

For the old folk, younger people appear to be well off simply because consumer electronics and travel have shrunk in price, but the reality is that kids starting from scratch haven't been worse off since the 1930's.

Whilst I have your attention (if indeed I do):

Why do you start threads that you know will be controversial, ask people not to react dramatically, but then only engage with those that do. For most sensible posters who blow your assumptions out of the water, you just ignore us.

 

Ok wont shift my stance I hate unions there do I get thrown off the site for not being northern enough

 

Really. How old are you. Having an hissy fit.
I asked a colleague at work today ex RN during the 80s the only time he can recollect the forces having to do civvy work. Was to cover the fireman’s strike. ( I don’t know if that’s what you were involved in but if so I assume you hate firemen for interrupting your leave)

 

Hating Unions eh, speaks volumes about you. Hating a democratically elected body that has, historically and still does, provide a voice and level of protection in the workplace.

 

Your Arthur scagill arnt you

 

Well that’s me told

 

You really need to look at yourself mate.
People only strike if absolutely necessary. Whether it be to protect jobs or get better standards within the workplace or a pay equal to the level they deserve.
Mi Dad worked down the mines all his working life. Fought for better wages. Better working conditions. Jobs etc, He died in appalling circumstances through pneumoconiosis. Reducing me to tears through the last horrible yrs of his life. On oxygen etc.
If he had not fought for those better conditions etc. Miners that came along in later yrs would suffer the same consequences ( some did and do still) . If he’d have predicted how bad those last few yrs of his life we’re going to be, I’m pretty sure he would have gone another route other than the mines. But what you may and may not understand was the bond of miners and those communities. and the fact they looked after one another. A trait rarely found in a lot of workplaces. Lots do and look what occupations they are. Firemen. Trawlermen. Steelworkers. Nurses. Police. ( sorry if I’ve missed any group out)

 

No. never met him to talk to. but he is related. Look into Scargills surname and how it came about. you may discover my Surname. Fact.
Run out of excuses have you. Answer the question I put to you. Or is it too difficult and causes you a lot of stress.

 

So what question did you ask me ? Scargill is also a distant relation on my mother’s side and I also have never met him I’m sorry for having an opinion mate

 

My dad also helped train Sgargill down the pits I have no issue with miners

 

Having an opinion is fine but to blame unions for upsetting your leave is just bitter. When it was probably thatcher or the prime minister of the time. ( given it appears it was the eighties) probably instructing your superiors to do that.( certainly wasn’t the unions so why blame them.) So put the blame where it really matters. whoever was in charge at the time had the power to prevent a strike.

As to the question on a previous post

( I don’t know if that’s what you were involved in but if so I assume you hate firemen for interrupting your leave)?

Added a ? For clarity this time.