Anybody on here who voted Leave and then Tory...

What did you think when Johnson was asked about a deal and his reaction was to share a knowing smile with his mate then to laugh?

Did you think ‘it’s great that the country is in the s hit but at least they’re keeping their spirits up’?

Or that it’s an utter disgrace that the economy is crashed, thousands are losing their jobs, but the posh boys in charge think it’s hilarious?

 

How do you feel about how this government has handled track and trace after promising a world beating system?

 

Sorry, just catching up.

My post was in response to another who suggested Starmer would offer Scotland another indy ref.

 

Even then.

At least that would be entertaining.

 

Sorry, that’s absolute ********.

They could and should have ‘dealt with this better’ - like very many of the other countries in the world did.

We have worse statistics on infections and deaths than most of the rest of Europe. And that’s not all.

Jacinda Ardern went hard and fast early doors - closed borders, full lockdown, no trying for herd immunity for a few weeks until realising that would kill hundreds of thousands - New Zealand hasn’t had one positive Covid case for weeks. They’re pretty much back to normal. And she’s criticised over there for being too slow and indecisive!

Johnson, ‘advised’ by the likes of Dominic Cummings, essentially did nothing until it was far, far too late. In doing that, it meant we had to lockdown for longer, on more occasions and at more crippling times than if he’d done what was blatantly required back in February and March.

His actions were too little and too late, his sitting on his hands has led to serious illness and death to unnecessarily high numbers, he has cost the economy billions in supporting furlough schemes for far longer than might have been required - and don’t get me started on the contracts awarded for things the Tory ‘chumocracy’ had no skills or experience in and have inevitably failed to deliver on (without having to pay a copper coin back).

So sorry duntpasstome, whilst the Covid outbreak could not have been predicted and the origins of which carry no blame attached to our government, how it has been dealt with was appalling from the outset and Johnson has essentially been chasing his tail ever since. This is the government that gave us money to ‘eat out to help out’ in August, then told us off for going out to eat when cases increased again...

He is a dangerous, self/serving, paymaster obeying, disaster capitalist; a calculating purveyor of cruelty; all packaged up as a bumbling harmless baffoon; an act that millions continue to fall for. But dont worry, he’ll be off soon, the prime ministerial salary is nowhere near high enough to befit a man of his fibre and standing. He’ll be off into the sunset to cash in on everyone else’s woe.

 

Holding the government to account for its failures and their consequences would be a good start.

 

My entire contribution to the thread exemplifies my motivation perfectly clearly.

No abuse, no telling others what was right/wrong, no attempt to belittle anyone. Just intrigued to find posters who supported Leave/Tory and to get their views on the omnishambles that is the last 12 months under the Tory/Leave government. A year that has massively affected me personally, in all manner of negative ways, and my friends, family and colleagues. If anything, after taking these circumstances into consideration, I think I'm being very reasonable.

By the way, that's eight now, of your last nine BBS posts that relate to me, since August. Bless you.

 

Brexit was always going to be a disaster for the Labour party. The reason is that their supporters were more divided over this than the Tories. Sadly the poorer in society saw it as a chance to kick back at all the "clever" people in Government who had made their lives a pile of rubbish - take that Cameron! Given that was the case Corbyn just couldn't come up with a solution that satisfied all the Labour supporters - how could he? No Labour leader could. I'm pretty sure that Johnson knew this well and put his eggs in the leave basket.
When I first got to voting age Britain had a far left Government and the EU by comparison had policies reflecting the Tory party of that time, which is why socialists like Corbyn and Scargill didn't care for them.. Since then Britain (thanks mainly to Thatcher) drifted further down the right wing route while the EU have perhaps, if anything, either stayed where they were politically or maybe gone to the left,
What I understand about Greece is that they were paying handsome pensions to all retired workers - and they retired at 50, compared to 60+ in the other EU countries. Therefore they were spendiing more than they could afford, which is why the EU stopped this advantage and penalised them - the alternative was to do nothing and giver them a big advantage over other EU states.
Until the Labour people find a way to unite their supporters we will have a Government that will pretty much do as it wants. If it wasn't for the virus the NHS would be in the January sales, but even if we keep the NHS ( In a fashion), there are forces within the Tories who will be looking to sell it off at some stage (Rees- Bogg for one).
Starmer may not be a solution to getting us a country that cares for people fairly - one that most of us want - but he is a step in the right direction.

 

At least Boris finds it funny.

 

You'll never get an answer off him. He pops in every now and then, moans about commentators wishing fans happy birthday, moans about players taking the knee, bursts into tears whenever anyone has a go at Johnson.

When challenged he dissapears into thin air, ignores all questions, then pops up in another thread rinsing and repeating.

 

Johnson is going bald, but he is another vain man who can't accept the the truth. He would rather have a ridiculous comb-over, or a mess-over. He obviously thinks he is good looking. It's not a comb he wants - it's a mirror.

 

Unfortunately the politics that Corbyn represents will never get the opportunity to represent the UK. The people of the UK have become to selfish and materialistic to go back to what they believe to be hard socialistic policies.

 

You missed taking the credit for the actions of his predecessor as London Mayor.

 

Oh don’t get me started on him again! There’s plenty more I could offer up, but it’s futile.

This board has a mixture of opinion politically but it’s clearly skewed further left than the country in general so there’s little value in doing it anyway.

And if the ones who aren’t so inclined can’t see him for what he is, then there is little hope they’ll ever do so anyway.

If I read about how he’s doing ‘his best at a job nobody could do any better at’ one more time, dear me. There are hundreds of mp’s on both sides of the bench who’d be better.

My favourite ‘you couldn’t do any better’. Well, we will never know. But as I have no political experience and wouldn’t have the first idea in terms of even the basic procedures for mp’s, I reckon I probably wouldn’t do better no, for a few months at least. I hate to think I’d be worse for much longer than that though!

 

That's what the civil service is for. And government advisers. I reckon on the advice that has come out around the situation I could have made the decision to lock down earlier, had a 2 week lockdown to cover the half terms, and copied a successful track and trace from another country at the very least. And I wouldn't have introduced tiers.

 

No mention of the Pre COVID era, Unnecessary Austerity, No plans put into place following operation Cygnus, Running the NHS into crisis mode,

 

Putting aside politics and politicians for one moment.... All the talk of lack of leadership mishandling the Pandemic (and this applies to almost all countries -even Sweden who were originally held up as the example of how to do it and avoid lockdowns) is disingenuous.

There IS one clear 'Leader' who makes the initial decisions and that is the virus itself. In a conventional war there is a human adversary and as such , more often than not, their actions, or at least their choice of actions can be anticipated and counter measures adopted in advance like a game of chess. That is where good leadership wins wars.

Unfortunately Covid is not human, is unpredictable and until change resulting from mutations occur and is identified, no counter measures can be adopted proactively. That is not to say the World should not have seen this coming and be better prepared, but as regards vaccines that is not possible until you know what you are dealing with. Nor is it possible to keep huge resources required 'mothballed' until needed as it is unclear where, when, what, who and how they will be needed. Many criticisms of actions or lack of are based on hindsight, a luxury that does not exist for those who have to sort out the mess.

Whatever political ideology, religion, race, gender, nationality, no-one has a crystal ball. Every decision taken must therefore be reactive and NOT pro-active and often these viruses simply outsmart us. I know people, including myself, largely read stuff important to them which means domestic news outlets. But a quick scan of the World press reveals that the same arguments and criticisms of Govt and leadership here are mirrored in virtually every country where freedom of speech exists. Some criticism is healthy and justified but much of it is not.

 

There was much that could and should have been in the first place, I’ve already mentioned Operation Cygnus, Practically everything this Govt has done has seen much dithering, wrong decisions. Looking to make financial gain for their friends, whether COVID related or not. Defending what was normally seen as indefensible. It’s been one big **** up

 

www.businessinsider.com/austerity-has-damaged-europe-vs-us-gdp-growth-2018-11?

Practically all the eu was under austerity measures , all enforced by the eu
We were/are not in the euro monetary system so there was little interference by them as to how we enforced austerity
On the other hand the eu did dictate to those members who use the euro, austerity was implemented in all these states , most , if not all , imposed cuts to public spending
https://www.europeaninstitute.org/i...cial-reform/1180-austerity-measures-in-the-eu