You remember we were promised workers rights etc were safe after Brexit

Are you happy that your employment rights will be removed? I’m ambivalent to the EU bit if you didn’t realise that the Singapore on a Thames model was the end game for Farage and the mob more fool you.

 

Can you tell me Saturday's lotto numbers please because you can obviously see the future. Wait n see what happens!

 

We need to get rid of the Tories

 

Your advisors and party managers were actively undermining Corbyn and campaigning against him even during an election , I don’t think for one moment he would have been elected but this obsession that all our ills as a nation are down to Corbyn is pathetic, New Labour spite

 

More Brexit benefits - we get to take back control of killing children.

At least it'll be a good, British death:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...brexit-stops-medical-cannabis-medicine-supply

 

I've had to undergo several batches of GDPR training and have practical experience of the way it is being administered and can tell you from my experience the opposite case is also true, particularly when something is being discussed that is not bog standard or with obvious precedence ...one that may not be a clone of the training modules...at the first mention of whether something may or may not contravene Gdpr, it usually leads to sharp intakes of breath and a collective feeling that no one can make a decision unless the Gdpr Compliance Officer takes the responsibility of passing it as legal, leaving the safe option as being to deny the request as no one really gets criticised for quoting data protection as a reason for not passing information on.
Track and trace contacting should be a relatively simple, straightforward method of finding potentially infected people, it fails when that information is not passed to those who are best placed to make use of it, a good example is when our area had an outbreak amongst the homeless. The only people who could know the whereabouts and contacts of the homeless are the Police and the Council's Stronger Communities Officers, both groups were not given the information due to Public Health England's apparent belief that if failed GDPR criteria.
The Director of Public Health I mentioned is responsible for more than half a million people, he was asked directly if GDPR had hindered his response to Covid 19 , the answer on public record was yes.

 

maybe I’ve read it wrong but I thought this thread was about actions we will take as a stand alone nation and not about whether we should leave or not. So the question posed is around the dilution of workers rights by the Gov meant. Are you saying we should get behind that? Is there any other post Brexit policies that will now help us that we should get behind? I’m interested to know

 

Paragraphs?

I’ll repeat the straightforward facts here.

Every day government departments share data regarding citizens, with other government departments and with private contractors. Just to do the job of government.

This data is shared legally within GDPR, freely with the consent of those citizens.

Your argument is only that it’s ‘not that simple’, because you’ve been in some meetings with incompetent managers. But the fact remains that data sharing happens routinely thousands of times every single day.

 

Very much so. My current role in a Govt dept is providing GDPR info requests for the public largely via Solicitors and other legal bodies. I don’t think the general public are aware of how much of Govt/public sector work is now in the hands of the private sector

 

As you said routine....this is not routine, trying to determine and verify when and whether written and verifiable permission is given from hundreds of thousands of individual cases that have emerged from a variety of sources... has hamstrung the track and trace system.
You seem to assume I've been in with a handful of "incompetent managers"... the fact is you have had nothing to do with the implementation of Covid measures at all ( I am assuming that)...the DPH I mention has been living and breathing this since the start of the outbreak and is clear that this is the case.
The 'fact' is DR is that you may have experience of GDPR in other fields, but no experience of its impact on the response to Covid 19, certainly compared to a DPH.

 

Why would and should people with fundamental differences of opinion, beliefs and values suddenly about face and "get behind" something that is at complete odds to the way they live their lives?

Why is it important for those who "won" to have people who independently and through the liberty of democratic free will and choice decided the opposite to concede and do as the "winners" wish? Is that not erosion of liberty? Doesn't a sovereign nation include people of all realms of thought and opinion and find place for them, rather than follow a single narrow doctrine that was approved my a very narrow slither of majority (ignoring the obvious exclusions enforced on the possible electorate pool)?

And finally and most fundamentally... what difference is made from people "getting behind it"? Do you perceive people are spiting themselves, their families and their futures just because they "lost"? Are people not earning as much on purpose? Are companies investing less on purpose? Will people lose their houses to say I told you so?

Brexit happened. We're all living with the consequences of that. The only hope left is that it's not as bad as projected. I find that difficult to get behind on top of all my liberties that have been removed from me from previously being a proud citizen of the EU.

You're entitled to vote how you wish, as am I. I'm entitled to want us to be in the EU and will exercise that voting right when I have the opportunity in future years.

Until then, I'll continue to live my way in a life that benefits those closest to me and has mine and their interests at heart. If I succeed, if I prosper, it will be inspite of us not being a member of the European Union and not because of it. It will be through my actions and choices and not because I "got behind it".

 

FFS
I really am not in a position to tell you how involved I’ve been with the governments response to Covid.

But I can say, your assumptions are a million miles off. In the last year in response to Covid I’ve shared data with NHS, Cabinet office, Scottish devolution as well as multiple providers from the private sector. And if you think this has all been done under BAU, that’d clearly be nonsense.

You can assume that I haven’t had any involvement with Track & Trace. But the above should tell you that data sharing is often an excuse rather than a reason.

If the govt had implemented T&T properly within DHSC rather than handing it to their mates, it would have been a success. Blaming GDPR is just a dead cat

 

I agree that refusal to share is often an excuse...what do you make then of Public Health England's refusal to share data from it's Covid testing sites with the Borough Council whose property the testing site is on. The DPH is clear PHE's reason is GDPR...is he wrong?

 

Yes.

"The lawful bases for processing are set out in Article 6 of the UK GDPR. At least one of these must apply whenever you process personal data:
(a) Consent: the individual has given clear consent for you to process their personal data for a specific purpose.
(b) Contract: the processing is necessary for a contract you have with the individual, or because they have asked you to take specific steps before entering into a contract.
(c) Legal obligation: the processing is necessary for you to comply with the law (not including contractual obligations).
(d) Vital interests: the processing is necessary to protect someone’s life.
(e) Public task: the processing is necessary for you to perform a task in the public interest or for your official functions, and the task or function has a clear basis in law.
(f) Legitimate interests: the processing is necessary for your legitimate interests or the legitimate interests of a third party, unless there is a good reason to protect the individual’s personal data which overrides those legitimate interests. (This cannot apply if you are a public authority processing data to perform your official tasks.)"

It would be covered under c, d, e & f - and probably b too.

 

Jeez this again. Ok, so you'd happily leave a bus full of kids on a train line because the train hasn't hit it yet? You don't need to be clairvoyant to know the sun's going to come up tomorrow.

 

I don’t know the detail of their contracts (why would I)
But what I do know is that there’s no reason it couldn’t have been done properly within GDPR, because that’s something I work with day in day out.

and again - if it had been contracted properly it could have saved thousands of lives and billions of pounds.

You can get angry about GDPR but I’m **** ing livid that this failure is absolutely down to the crooks running the country.
Again GDPR is a dead cat here.