Curfew for Men!

Mainly because this is not a men vs women issue. It’s a criminal/psychopath vs society issue. Therefore if there was the hypothetical curfew, would it really make the women feel safe walking through the unlit park on their own after dark?

 

The suggestion is, I hope, designed to make men stop and think. I don't envy women for what they have to deal with on a daily basis.
Unfortunately it gives the usual suspects an excuse to be enraged. Waiting for the first reference to "cancel culture".
And, yes, clearly an actual curfew is ridiculous.

 

Yes, because then we'd know that the men we encountered were the "bad guys" but mainly there would be way more women around which is how it should be.

 

It would be if it was just one lad.
I’m not advocating a curfew btw; and I don’t seriously believe that anyone thinks that would happen.

But we need to wake up to the fact that if ‘most’ women have an experience of sexual assault or know someone who has, then the men committing these offences aren’t a bad apple, they’re a sizeable proportion of the male population.

 

I've really struggled with this debate over the last couple of days.

Personally I don't know anyone who thinks domestic violence is acceptable. If a friend of mine was to tell me he'd "sorted out the missus with a backhander" he wouldn't be a friend any more and I'd ask his wife if she needed help.

Education and attitudes are always important, but the sort of person (not necessarily the sort of man) who snatch someone from the street and take their life are not going to be changed.

The thing I struggle with, and it happens a lot lately, is that the pendulum swings too far the other way and the message gets lost. How a suggestion that all men should be confined to their homes after 6pm could be viewed as anything other than extreme and demonising men is beyond me. It's ridiculous.

I'll share this story, I thought several times about whether to or not. I'm in my mid 40's, walking my son to school yesterday a young mother walked past me, I'd guess she was in her 20's. She wore a really nice perfume, one I wasn't aware of and my instinct was to stop her say how nice the perfume was ask what it was. I thought it would be nice for the boys to get their mum for mothers day.

I didn't though, and the reason I didn't was I was too concerned that rather than view it as a compliment it would be viewed as "creepy" that someone twice her age was telling her the perfume she was wearing was really nice.

I've thought about that a lot and as a father of two sons I do worry that the pendulum will go far too far.

There will always be scumbags and they should be dealt with accordingly, but as man I do feel demonised by the current tone coming from the media.

 

“discrimination of all kinds would be lessened"

Er, am I alone in seeing the very obvious irony here?

 

Before March 2020 I would have agreed with you. But the precedent is already set - unfairly impinge on one section of society in order for another to feel safer. It would surprise me none if this happens.

 

But surely not one in 30.... I’d be interested to see what proportion of men you think would attack a woman in a park.

I absolutely understand that this was said by the baroness to start this kind of debate. But I find it difficult to put a gender to this kind of behaviour. And I’m not sure how helpful it will be. This is not a binary issue.

 

Its really sad this but I don't acknowledge, make eye contact with many people now when I go out shopping etc I would only acknowledge men over 30 and women over 50, this obviously doesn't include friends, family and work colleagues just people I don't know. This is a conscious and sub conscious decision with no reason to it other than the affect the news and social media has had on my thought process and you just don't know how people will react to genuine friendliness so its better not to say anything.

 

I guess the idea is to make us think. I bet few of us know any adult females that haven’t been made uncomfortable by men while walking even in broad daylight. That’s not right. Everyone knows that’s not right. Many of also know women who have been assaulted by men either physically or sexually again just for being women.

It’s time this was changed and the change has to come from a men. We have to challenge behaviours. We have to look at ourselves. Whenever I’m walking home if there’s a woman walking in front of me alone I generally cross the road so she doesn’t feel intimidated sad that thy I have to but I’d rather do that then scare someone even inadvertently.

if we are to learn anything from this poor woman’s death maybe if we all took on board a little kindness and consideration instead of knee jerk reactions like there are on this thread.

 

I’m not sure you would... the man you encounter in the park after curfew will more likely be a curfew breaker, and even if he was a murderer... would you feel any more safe that all the other men were locked away in their houses? Would you wander free through the fields in the early hours?

The not feeling safe going out after dark is more ingrained in society than it would appear. It is on the whole an irrational fear of the unknown, rather than a fear of an actual person or gender.

 

I don't think any man is in a position to tell a woman what they are afraid of.

 

Is that not discrimination in itself. The irony of her statement

 

Good grief how do these people get elected! Hopefully she is just trying to start a debate and not serious.
I mean let’s keep all the respectable blokes in and leave just women out , can imagine all the weirdos sat at home thinking oooh if only I was allowed out!
Suppose at least the police would be still out.....oh wait a minute!

 

She shouldn't feel stupid. Any woman should be allowed to walk home at 2am and not have to fear for her life.

 

I’m sorry, you misunderstand. I am not telling women what they are afraid of... I’m offering an opinion on a message board. I hope you look at the absurd intimation of your response and realise that people are still allowed an opinion.

 

Your opinion was that women were scared of the unknown. I simply said said its not for you to tell women what they are scared of.

 

The fact you felt the need to make that question very specific tells me that deep down you know the size of the issue.

Of course it’s a gender issue.
Absolutely some women beat their partners, and some women sexually assault men (or indeed other women). But compared to male on female sexual assault or violence, the evidence is overwhelming that this is a ‘problem with men’.

I’ve known a small number of women in my life well enough that they’d feel comfortable to tell me of their experiences and probably a similar number of men.

You know (and it’s no surprise) that a fair proportion of those women have been victims and none of the men have.

We went through all this at the time of #metoo and the reason we’re back discussing it again is the number of blokes who’s response then was ‘it’s not me so it’s not my problem’.

 

No it doesn’t unfortunately I asked because you seem sure that in 30 blokes that you know, one is a murderer/rapist given the chance... I know that’s not the case with e people I know....

 

What a load of ******!!!!

This is a terribly sad isolated incident and the bloke whats stringing up but to suggest a curfew is barmy.

I go out jogging and I’m conscious sometimes when I see a female and I’m approaching from behind as heavy breathing and footsteps could be quite scary for someone, a bit of common sense and I’ll try and get some distance between us both like running on the road.

Why do we have to have a knee jerk reactions like this?

99.9% of people are good honest human beings and arseholes like the murderer paint a bad picture for human race at times!!

Tie his hands together and throw the fuka in Thames, lousy ******* he is!!